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Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by belter »

StressedDev wrote: post #22
dijit wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been many times where I have tried to warn people on HN not to get into bed with Oracle.[0][1][2][3] But people have a hard time resisting free stuff. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33199750 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38075210 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29514359 [3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34503883

You had a bad experience with Oracle and I get that. They didn't treat you well. However, not everyone has a bad experience with them and a lot of companies make mistakes and treat customers poorly. The question is not did it happen, the question is how often does it happen and how does the organization handle it. If Oracle has millions of customers and you are the only one they harmed, they are probably doing great.…

I am not sure if you realize how evil Oracle is. Using them should be a firing offense. They are law firm with an IT department...

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by belter »

Retric wrote: post #35
StressedDev wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You had a bad experience with Oracle and I get that. They didn't treat you well. However, not everyone has a bad experience with them and a lot of companies make mistakes and treat customers poorly. The question is not did it happen, the question is how often does it happen and how does the organization handle it. If Oracle has millions of customers and you are the only one they harmed, they are probably doing great.…

> not everyone has a bad experience with them You don’t stay in business for long while burning every single bridge. The standards for acceptable behavior from a supplier / business partner are a little higher than just doesn’t fuck over every single contract.

Broadcom enters the room....

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by belter »

kwanbix wrote: post #2

That people continue to use ORACLE products is one of those misteries I can not understand for much thought that I put into it.

This as been posted here in at least 60 occasions...But clearly not enough times..: https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=1982

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by crayonista »

jeroenhd wrote: post #26
kwanbix wrote: post #2

That people continue to use ORACLE products is one of those misteries I can not understand for much thought that I put into it.

They have an excellent free tier for experimenting with some higher power ARM servers. As long as you're ready to give up when they decide they don't like you any more, that's a pretty cool deal. Just don't ever build anything with their hardware or software that you'd like to keep. Edit: Java is usually pretty good, too. At least the open source stuff. Maybe stuff like GraalVM too but they had that locked down in li…

Yeah, I have a free-tier ARM VM, and it's great as a remote Nix builder for aarch64.

If I lost it, I'd just have to do building locally.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by dijit »

malux85 wrote: post #15
kwanbix wrote: post #2

That people continue to use ORACLE products is one of those misteries I can not understand for much thought that I put into it.

The cold hard truth of the world is that things are not evaluated solely meritoriously by everyone. Oracle know this, in fact, they rely on it. If they are trying to win a big corporate contract you know a good way to get it? : The dude who has an enormous amount of say is head of I.T. at EnormousBeanFactory, the world’s largest supplier of canned beans. Is it a sexy industry? Nope, but they do 3 billion a year in be…

People will think that this is ridiculous, but I can tell you from experience that this is exactly what happens.

You are often relying on the altruism of the C-levels to care about people more than the “vibes” that sales people can give off, which just happens to be helped by expensive lunches, trips, invitations to shows with VIP seats, and being welcomed with beaming smiles and open arms like a celebrity at their HQ.

Obviously its not just Oracle that does this, all the large companies do it- even the ones you think have crappy support like Google.

These are hard things to turn down, and if you think you can you’re probably wrong.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by theyinwhy »

nubinetwork wrote: post #44

One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison strikes again... but for the life of me, I don't understand why this guy isn't calling his credit card company to cancel payments for a service he's not receiving...

By not canceling payments he is making his case ready to go to court.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by esskay »

This isnt new or abnormal. Oracle Cloud has been doing this for years. It's why when you see posts recommending it on reddit it's almost followed up with someone saying not to be stupid enough to use Oracle Cloud.

Honestly more fool anyone who trusts Oracle with anything, let alone keeping their sites/apps online.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Post by daneel_w »

It matters whether you are still on an unpaid tenancy or have upgraded to a paid tenancy, even if you're only using "Always Free" resources for a total of $0.00 per month. Resources occupied by an unpaid tenancy may be deallocated without warning in order to satisfy a request from a paid tenancy. However, there's really no way we can know if the OP did or did not breach the TOS, which seems likelier given that they underline they were a paying customer.
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