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Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Re: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Post by rayiner »

heartbreak wrote: post #130
rayiner wrote: post #94

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What I think is that electing the president is the only way the constitution provides for democratic control of what’s become the largest and most powerful branch. And ensuring democratic responsiveness of the executive—a civil service that will diligently execute the agenda of whomever is elected President—is of overriding importance to the health of democracy. A country where the same people are in charge regardles…

I am so embarrassed on your behalf, Rayiner.

I don’t know you, but I’m embarrassed on your behalf that you seem to support the idea that federal employees should bring their own ideologies to the workplace to frustrate the duly elected executive. It’s openly advocating a soft coup.

Re: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Post by jaybrendansmith »

justlikereddit wrote: post #114
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #75

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You cannot fix government by breaking laws. We are a country of laws not men. If you don't get that, get the fuck out.

Laws suddenly have a meaning after years of streaming millions of illegal migrants into the country? Ideologue AGs that give silk gloves treatments to violent criminals and looters because they're black. President who wholesale pardons his career criminal son and his entire family as an afterthought because they're so bogged down in so many illegal deals that they've forgot the specifics long ago. But the US is a cou…

All of those things are completely legal. I do not agree with many of them. But laws are laws. Many of these executive orders are not legal. It doesn't matter how much you or I might want them, they must be passed by congress, and verified by the judicial branch. If you don't understand that, you need to go back and read the constitution, or leave and start your own country, because you are not a believer in the United States of America. Full stop.

Re: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Post by dang »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #110
dang wrote: post #109

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Users flagged it. We can only guess why users flag things, but in this case it seems unlikely to have any chance at a thoughtful conversation. It has the Ultimate Troll Ingredient but little actual information.

You have the ability to unflag stories. This is critically important. Please do the right thing here.

Many stories that (correctly) get flagged on HN are critically important, far more important than anything which does appear on the front page. There's a simple reason for this: if importance were the high-order bit, then HN would be a current affairs site.

In fact its mandate is something quite different, as everyone here should know—see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and (for endless elaboration on the point) https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor....

Re: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Post by dang »

cherry_tree wrote: post #127
dang wrote: post #109

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Users flagged it. We can only guess why users flag things, but in this case it seems unlikely to have any chance at a thoughtful conversation. It has the Ultimate Troll Ingredient but little actual information.

How many users? Is it the same group of users flagging every political post? You seem to agree with their take openly, are you flagging these as well?

I agree with the "take" that this article isn't going to get discussed substantively and thoughtfully on HN. You needn't look far to see why—the current thread demonstrates it.

The commenters insisting that this is the wrong call don't seem to have fully taken in the intended purpose of this site, because they're actually making a case in favor of the flags, not against them.

Btw, it's not true that every political post gets flagged. HN's approach to that question has been stable for a long time, even though there can be strong disagreement about specific calls. If you or anyone wants to read about what the approach is, there are lots of links at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so.... In particular, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22902490 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21607844 are good places to start.

Re: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Post by ty6853 »

throw0101a wrote: post #126
ty6853 wrote: post #124

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> Post civil war boom was roughly as big as the post WW2 boom with a way lower federal burden and no income tax. Also without Medicare, minimal Social Security, without an airforce, without a standing army, and desires for a ≥350-ship navy: * https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/02/25/trump-called-fo... How are you going to pay and run all that without staff? You think it's going to be cheaper to outsource it to co…

>Also without Medicare, minimal Social Security, without an airforce, without a standing army, and desires for a ≥350-ship navy

That's the point.

Re: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Post by johnnyanmac »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #110
dang wrote: post #109

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Users flagged it. We can only guess why users flag things, but in this case it seems unlikely to have any chance at a thoughtful conversation. It has the Ultimate Troll Ingredient but little actual information.

You have the ability to unflag stories. This is critically important. Please do the right thing here.

We just have to face the facts that this is a tech site thst aggressively rejects politics, no matter how dire. It's the same Apathy that won Trump the election. A problem starred by technocrats won't necessarily have wannabe technocrats solve it anyway. Better off organizing on Reddit.

If you want to get around flagging, vote it up anyway. I check top daily/weekly news and lagged news shows up (I'm pretty sure I have showdead on Btw).

Re: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Post by johnnyanmac »

_gnad_ wrote: post #112
mostlysimilar wrote: post #110

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You have the ability to unflag stories. This is critically important. Please do the right thing here.

Yup, every time something important gets gang-flagged he leaves it flagged even though he can unflag. There's zero transparency and a heavy bias in moderation here. I stopped contributing here and moved to lobste.rs

In a way, Danf is just following the will of the people. If the people want to gag reflect to "Musk" and "government" and hide the story, what are we to do?

Re: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Post by [deleted] »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #138
mostlysimilar wrote: post #110

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You have the ability to unflag stories. This is critically important. Please do the right thing here.

We just have to face the facts that this is a tech site thst aggressively rejects politics, no matter how dire. It's the same Apathy that won Trump the election. A problem starred by technocrats won't necessarily have wannabe technocrats solve it anyway. Better off organizing on Reddit. If you want to get around flagging, vote it up anyway. I check top daily/weekly news and lagged news shows up (I'm pretty sure I hav…

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