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ADHD Didn't Break Me–My Parents Did

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Re: ADHD Didn't Break Me–My Parents Did

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I remember Dr Gabor Mate mentioning how ADHD is from childhood traumas and upbringing and it resonates with me.

For me, it was a combination of my parents authoritarian parenting, and authoritarian school/environment, where teachers never checked in with me to see how I was doing.

Psychedelics was the only thing that helped me, and I haven’t taken prescribed medications in over 10 years since my powerful experience which physically helped me feel love and safety for the first time; things I never experienced at home.

More experiences with Ayahuasca over the past several years have helped me fully process most, if not all the traumas I remember (also helped me remember the ones I forgot!) and I’m now in a much better place mentally, emotionally, physically, and spiritually.

As a result, I think its fully possible to be neurodivergent without having disorders

Re: ADHD Didn't Break Me–My Parents Did

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This is blaming the parents for society, and the complaints appears to not be specific to ADHD.

Parents do their best within the knowledge they have. Blaming your parents for the outcomes of society is childish.

Fortunately the author is maturing out of childhood - and discovering as we all do that they are the only person that has the motivation and ability to find their own solutions to their own problems.

Society definitely fucks us up, and most people are trying hard to help improve their little corners, but it's a devil's problem.

Education systems do unfortunately feel so retardedly broken from the inside as users.

Re: ADHD Didn't Break Me–My Parents Did

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The person blaming his parents because they tried to do their job of, well, parenting a child with ADHD. I’ve read that psychotherapy is much more difficult when there is no-one to blame. So it might help for him, until he will have his own kids with ADHD and fail in a completely opposite way. I would not recommend anyone to blame parents of neurodivergent kids, as it is a very difficult job to do right.

I would not recommend anyone to massively oversimplify and pass judgement on someone else’s life situation

Re: ADHD Didn't Break Me–My Parents Did

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> what if this wasn't an issue of attention, but one of incompatibility? it's both, but the incompatibility is worse - if you don't attempt to fit in, the 'normal' (actually, quite literally normal) people, which are the majority (hence why they're 'normal') will make you either conform or suffer. probably both. your parents knew that and that's why they enforced the norms so much. > This was never a matter of insuff…

That's quite an amazingly fucked up claim to make without evidence beyond (presumably) “okay but actually some special needs kids do dangerous things”.

Re: ADHD Didn't Break Me–My Parents Did

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> John Taylor Gatto's Dumbing Us Down perfectly captured this when he noticed that schools, another place where authority figures hang out, ruthlessly disciplined any child who tried to assert individuality.

There has been an interesting result recently, which was discussed here [0]. In an online game where participants had to forage for resources, people with attention deficits scored higher, because they preferred exploration to exploitation.

I commented back then that ADHD may be understood as introducing chaos into life to avoid being trapped in local optima.

Having ADHD is then of course a major disadvantage in environments where there is only one global optimum. Examples include highly regulated and deterministic academic environments (school, undergraduate studies) or corporate environments.

But in human history, environments with a single global optimum have been the exception, not the rule.

People with ADHD - and their parents and teachers - should therefore embrace their individuality as a kind of reservoir talent in the human gene pool. We need these individuals in the future.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39508573

Re: ADHD Didn't Break Me–My Parents Did

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The person blaming his parents because they tried to do their job of, well, parenting a child with ADHD. I’ve read that psychotherapy is much more difficult when there is no-one to blame. So it might help for him, until he will have his own kids with ADHD and fail in a completely opposite way. I would not recommend anyone to blame parents of neurodivergent kids, as it is a very difficult job to do right.

All three of my kids are neurodivergent. If they have suffered from my parenting, they are more than welcome to blame me. Sure, parenting kids with ADHD or Autism or whatever else is hard, but that doesn't make one a Saint and therefore unassailable. If comeuppance is due, it's due.

I agree, I mean that it is almost impossible not to fail at from the child’s perspective.

I blame the structure of society for this. When kid wants to spend time with animals, friends and just be in nature - we can only offer more classes and screens.

Re: ADHD Didn't Break Me–My Parents Did

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post #2

The person blaming his parents because they tried to do their job of, well, parenting a child with ADHD. I’ve read that psychotherapy is much more difficult when there is no-one to blame. So it might help for him, until he will have his own kids with ADHD and fail in a completely opposite way. I would not recommend anyone to blame parents of neurodivergent kids, as it is a very difficult job to do right.

The point is: there isn't a "right" way. That's exactly what the author is trying to say. By failing to recognize the ways in which they were different, they forced a mode upon them and here we are. A whole medicalized generation addicted to stimulants trying to fit in where in past generations you had artists and rebels and seekers and every other kind of misfit that made life interesting and unique and challenging…

I don't think you meant it but I don't like how you phrased it. That in the past if you were to have ADHD, you'd be an artist or a rebel and so on, implying that it is something cool. And that nowadays it's just addiction to stimulants.

I know of quite few colleagues and friends with ADHD who need stimulants to get anything done at all, even to get out from their bed. Who were treated unsuccessfully for anxiety, depression, when all their symptoms vanished after getting on meds.

ADHD not to everyone is something quirky, to some people it can be utterly debilitating and devastating condition.

Re: ADHD Didn't Break Me–My Parents Did

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I remember Dr Gabor Mate mentioning how ADHD is from childhood traumas and upbringing and it resonates with me. For me, it was a combination of my parents authoritarian parenting, and authoritarian school/environment, where teachers never checked in with me to see how I was doing. Psychedelics was the only thing that helped me, and I haven’t taken prescribed medications in over 10 years since my powerful experience w…

My mother suffers from borderline personality disorder and bipolar disorder. My father is textbook narcissistic personality disorder. It’s easy to say my childhood wasn’t easy, but in a strange way. Along the way, I developed BPD symptoms impressed on me by my parents, suffered hospitalization multiple times, and ended up going through DBT.

I am 24 now and I lucked out far better than my peers. I have a career in software, a loving partner of 6 years (which I definitely traumatized multiple times), and am even in grad school! For me, the biggest issues I face from a societal perspective are not the BPD symptoms, mostly regressed and which usually make me alluring to people, but the ADHD symptoms I developed along with BPD. I’ve read that these are often comorbid and that tracks with what you are saying because a BPD parent and BPD is trauma.

Weed and shrooms also helped me get better. Not with the ADHD which definitely gets much worse on weed, but with the BPD symptoms. It made me slow down and let me get in touch with my empathy long repressed. I believe I was 19 when I first smoked and it’s been a journey but trending upward.

Fun BPD story: by the time I was 18, I had over 60 sexual partners. I was a dorky guy who played video games over 8 hours a day every day.

Re: ADHD Didn't Break Me–My Parents Did

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post #2

The person blaming his parents because they tried to do their job of, well, parenting a child with ADHD. I’ve read that psychotherapy is much more difficult when there is no-one to blame. So it might help for him, until he will have his own kids with ADHD and fail in a completely opposite way. I would not recommend anyone to blame parents of neurodivergent kids, as it is a very difficult job to do right.

From the article:

> Instead, they relied on discipline as the only solution: withholding rights, denying privileges, banning books outside the curriculum because they "caused inattention," cutting off the internet, locking TV channels with passwords, and limiting socialization during study time.

I'm perfectly inclined here to agree with the author in blaming the parents for putting the child in a borderline abusive environment because they were unable to look outside their own views for the sake of their child.

Re: ADHD Didn't Break Me–My Parents Did

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(Disclaimer: not discussing the author here. These are the thoughts based on personal experiences, resurfaced as the result of reading the post)

Planning for the past (what if my parents would do things differently?) is a sign of depression (not clinical advice). Blaming the parents is not productive and doesn't lead to solutions to the problems at hand.

For me, taking responsibility on deciding what needs to be done, how to get better at doing what needs to be done and how to get better at getting better, shifted the focus significantly.

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