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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by antman »

Dalewyn wrote: post #164
Spooky23 wrote: post #150

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The good news is that as a Trump voter who is a MAGA believer, you’ve established that you’re ignorant and open to emotional manipulation. You’re the political equivalent of the old lady who talks to the scammers. So when your glorious day comes, and your State asserts their rights and levies your bank account to pay for your parents medical bills as your filial responsibility, (or whatever your personal tragedy ends…

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So you have no reality filter to alert you on the condoms claim?

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by tremon »

liontwist wrote: post #152
tremon wrote: post #138

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Following them would include Basically, your argument boils down to "you're wrong, the current sitation is not fascist enough yet"? banning the existence of other parties They don't need to. Similar to Russia, they will allow the appearance of other parties and elections, but the outcomes will be pre-determined. changing the constitution to give all power to executive SCOTUS has already done that: everything the pres…

> the current sitation is not fascist enough yet"? You are putting the burden on me to argue they are NOT fascist? (whatever meaning you want to attach to that word) > They proved in November that they already have done the right amount of voter disenfranchisement and gerrymandering to secure a win. Ah so you think the election was stolen? > gerrymandering How do you gerrymander state boundaries?

You took that burden upon yourself by choosing to deride the GGP above, who said "The US is undergoing a fascist takeover basically". Don't put this on me, you opened this line of argumentation. I am merely trying to get you to commit to an actual argument with substance rather than deflecting and whining.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by marcosdumay »

oefrha wrote: post #97
nine_zeros wrote: post #76

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It is bad for the rest of the world but the rest of the world has an exit. Call your representatives and stop using US dollar for trade. Literally, that one action alone will save a lot of grief for people outside the US. This is not a joke. What will sting Elon, Trump and crooks the most is losing their wealth. The rest of the world does not need to suffer for these crooks.

That’s wishful thinking… One can’t simply stop using USD for trade on a whim. Decoupling will take at least a decade if not longer.

Nah, stop using the US$ for trade is as simply as just stop doing it. There's no lack of infrastructure, and plenty of commerce doesn't use it already.

What is hard is desinvesting from the US treasure. You have to sell those somewhere, and if everybody tries, their value will quickly go to 0. But if the US is successful in making their trade-balance positive, this will solve itself without a lot of hardship, it's just a matter of the rest of the world helping them here.

Macroeconomics is not what will show you problems here. The US is inserted itself into every supply chain on the world, but you will only notice this if you look at the details. Maybe we should start with an intellectual property reform...

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by renewedrebecca »

hypeatei wrote: post #21
CalRobert wrote: post #5

This is part of a broader rolling catastrophe. Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-01-31/exclus... Nasa took down their applied sciences page and is evidently scrubbing the data https://www.reddit.com/r/gis/comments/1icqchv/why_is_the_nas... ( https://appliedsciences.nasa.gov/ ) Lots of other data sets are disappearing too: https://ma…

I would just like to point out that Musk is the richest man in the world and is now directing critical areas of the U.S. government. Surely he doesn't have ulterior motives and is looking out for the average person?

I really hope you're being sarcastic.

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Post by braincat31415 »

I would like to see ALL FDA documents on covid-19 vaccine emergency use authorization. Biden's FDA has been fighting court orders tooth and nail for 4 years. Where were all the Trump haters with their outrage... hypocrisy at its best.

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Post by PaulRobinson »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #64

Don't worry, absolutely no issues have occurred in medicine as a result of a lack of data on how a drug impacts pregnant people.

You'll be pleased to know that multiple countries elsewhere do worry about this, and will continue to publish evidence-based recommendations about appropriate drug usage. Every other member of the G8, NATO, AUKUS, and so on, all publish science for free, so as the US declines into a corruption-fuelled failed state, there will be access to that material still. I saw Mexican emergency services helping in Los Angeles the other week during the fires - more mature and capable countries are always here to help, even in very direct ways like this, where the US public sector is too fragile and broken to support their own citizens. There's been a rich history of this happening across Europe and Africa for decades, so others know what to do.

You might think I'm being sarcastic, or patronising or somehow trying to belittle the US. I'm not. That's where the country is now. It's failing in a way we've seen others fail many, many times before. The future is predictable, and it doesn't seem like anybody wants to change it.

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Post by CalRobert »

Dalewyn wrote: post #177
CalRobert wrote: post #169

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I agree with you 100%, but in the interest of effective discourse it might make more sense to steelman the response. For one thing I have a hard time believing that the best government is one which does nothing, considering the extent to which our lives depend on an intricate web of supply chains, information networks, etc. that require coordination at a high level and may not be best handled by businesses seeking lo…

>But perhaps they're advocating a return-to-the-Earth philosophy Indeed. Not quite as far back in time as you sarcastically suggested, but down-to-Earth enough that Congress stops enjoying absolutely abysmal approval ratings and President Reagan's infamous line of "I am from the government and I am here to help." stops resonating so strongly as a prime criticism. If we also have to destroy ostensibly useful instituti…

For what it's worth I wasn't being sarcastic. I spent some time in the smallholding/no-till/organic/homesteading world and there are some pretty decent arguments that modernity has done a lot to make us depressed and lonely. I also actually agree that a lot of government funds are wasted or spent poorly, if that counts for anything.

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Post by bdcravens »

duxup wrote: post #161
pclmulqdq wrote: post #147

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EV tax credits under the previous administration applied to almost every EV that wasn't a Tesla. They got Tesla its start, though, so the ladder must be pulled up. Of course, carbon offsets are still a huge cash cow for Tesla, so Musk won't be eager to touch those.

> applied to almost every EV that wasn't a Tesla And Tesla? https://www.tesla.com/IRA

The tax credits were eventually reapplied to Tesla with the changes starting in 2023, but for a while, Tesla had crossed the sales limit so that the credit wasn't available.

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Post by bongodongobob »

rexpop wrote: post #153
lazide wrote: post #79

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Voting - already happened. Money - the folks doing this already have a ton of money, and used it in large part to get to this point. Violence - necessary for change, but against who exactly? anyone trying to be violent against the folks running this will be disavowed by 90% of the rest of the population, and galvanize an outsized violent crackdown against anyone and everyone who even somewhat looks like them. It’s go…

Uh, what ever happened to Civil Disobedience? Direct Action? Nonviolent Action? There are at least as many ways to respond to repression as there are avenues of repression: https://commonslibrary.org/198-methods-of-nonviolent-action/

Whatever happened to it!? We are past that at this point. Nonviolent has been normalized for the last, idk, 80 years, very conveniently for the ones in power. It works if we have a functional government and an educated and engaged populace. We don't have any of that. Hold all the signs you want, vote with your dollar, walkout of work and get fired. If it doesn't scare people in power, you're not doing anything meaningful.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by bdcravens »

chinathrow wrote: post #165
CalRobert wrote: post #5

This is part of a broader rolling catastrophe. Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-01-31/exclus... Nasa took down their applied sciences page and is evidently scrubbing the data https://www.reddit.com/r/gis/comments/1icqchv/why_is_the_nas... ( https://appliedsciences.nasa.gov/ ) Lots of other data sets are disappearing too: https://ma…

At this point, being a Musk supporter is nothing to be proud of.

I cancelled a Model 3 order and went with a different EV a few years ago. I was starting to soften my stance, and considering a Tesla for my next, but at this point, I have a hard time accepting the idea that buying one wouldn't send a message of implicit support.
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