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Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by sublimefire »

lesuorac wrote: post #176
echelon wrote: post #20

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There's no moat, and they have to work even harder. Competition is good.

I really don't think this is true. OpenAI has no moat because they have nothing unique; they're using mostly other people's (like Transformers) architectures and other companies hardware. Their value-prop (moat) is that they've burnt more money than everybody else. That moat is trivially circumvented by lighting a larger pile of money and less trivially by lighting the pile more efficently. OpenAI isn't the only comp…

When you want to use AI in business you need some guarantees that the integration will not break because the ai company goes down or because of some breaking changes in a year. There is a reason why MSFT is in business. Similarly you will not buy Google because they do not like keeping products forever, you will not buy some unknown product just because it is 5% cheaper. OpenAI has a strong brand at the moment and this is their thing, until companies go to MSFT or AMZ to use their services with the ability to choose any model.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by kandesbunzler »

anonzzzies wrote: post #676
darthrupert wrote: post #672

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That would be an actual improvement. Reading the comments section usually just leads to personal energy waste.

On both HN & Reddit, I find the comments more informative and less frustrating than reading the article usually. But I guess YMMV.

Lmfao you forgot the fact that especially on reddit and hn people tend to say a lot of bullshit especially if it goes hand in hand with their biases

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by stavros »

ben_w wrote: post #237
logicchains wrote: post #69

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Maybe they found a need to quantize it further for release, or lobotomise it with more "alignment".

> lobotomise Anyone can write very fast software if you don't mind it sometimes crashing or having weird bugs. Why do people try to meme as if AI is different? It has unexpected outputs sometimes, getting it to not do that is 50% "more alignment" and 50% "hallucinate less". Just today I saw someone get the Amazon bot to roleplay furry erotica. Funny, sure, but it's still obviously a bug that a *sales bot* would do th…

The problem is that they don't make the LLM better at instruction following, they just make it unable to product furry erotica even if Amazon wants it to.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by NiloCK »

darthrupert wrote: post #672
s_dev wrote: post #669

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Currently on the internet people skip the article and go straight to the comments. Soon people will skip the comments and go striaght to an AI summary reading neither the original article nor the comments.

That would be an actual improvement. Reading the comments section usually just leads to personal energy waste.

In a way I agree, but the sustainability is shaky.

The intrinsic motivation for providing the comments comes from a mix of - peer interaction, comradery - reputation building

If becomes evident that your outputs are only directly consumed by a sentiment-aggregation-layer that scrub you from the discourse, then it could be harder to put a lot of effort into the thread.

This doesn't even account for the loss of info that results from fewer people actually reading and voting through the thread.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by creesch »

anonzzzies wrote: post #684
brabel wrote: post #677

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You need to read the article first to know that. But most people won't.

If the comments say it's worth it I read it, but often (especially on HN) the top comment starts with a summary of errors/inconsistencies in the article and then I don't really feel the need.

You do you, but hivemind thinking is a real thing. I have seen highly upvoted comments seemingly "debunk" an article where on closer examination it becomes clear they actually didn't read the article either.

It quickly becomes this weird bubble of people just acting on what everything "thinks" the content is about without ever having looked at the content.

I get that is easier, but intellectually you are doing yourself no favors by having this be your default.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by Sharlin »

waynecochran wrote: post #576

I just had it convert Swift code to Kotlin and was surprised at how the comment was translated. It "knew" the author of the paper and what is was doing!? That is wild. Swift: // // Double Reflection Algorithm from Table I (page 7) // in Section 4 of https://tinyurl.com/yft2674p // for i in 1 .. Kotlin: // Use the Double Reflection Algorithm (from Wang et al.) to compute subsequent frames. for (i in 1 until N) { val X…

Well, of course it knew the author. I'm sure you can ask just about any LLM who the author of the DRA is and it will answer Wang et al. without even having to google or follow the tinyurl link. And certainly it would also know that the algorithm is supposed to compute rotation minimizing frames.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by lionkor »

jjallen wrote: post #689
s_dev wrote: post #669

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Currently on the internet people skip the article and go straight to the comments. Soon people will skip the comments and go striaght to an AI summary reading neither the original article nor the comments.

What if this is better? If the summary includes all of the key details and people save time AND read both the article and comments wouldn't that be better?

If that was the case, then yes. It's not though, because the AI misses parts (doesn't "include all of the key details") and also fabricates and misrepresents other details

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by anonzzzies »

kandesbunzler wrote: post #692
anonzzzies wrote: post #676

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On both HN & Reddit, I find the comments more informative and less frustrating than reading the article usually. But I guess YMMV.

Lmfao you forgot the fact that especially on reddit and hn people tend to say a lot of bullshit especially if it goes hand in hand with their biases

So do the writers of the articles, however, with them I cannot interact.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by unification_fan »

bobjordan wrote: post #586
losvedir wrote: post #9

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What about "o1 Pro mode". Is that just o1 but with more reasoning time, like this new o3-mini's different amount of reasoning options?

I have been paying $200 per month for 01-pro mode and I am very disappointed right now because they have completely replaced the model today. It used to think for 1-5 minutes and deliver an unbelievably useful one-shot answer. Now, it only thinks for 7 seconds just like the 03-mini model and I can't tell the difference in the answers. I hope this is just a day 1 implementation bug but I suspect they have just decided…

They have been doing this since day 1. I was a subscriber in the first few months (then occasionally every few months to check out the progress) and so many people complained that OpenAI fiddled with the models daily without saying anything to anyone.

It was always attributed to variability but we all know it's not.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by northern-lights »

anonzzzies wrote: post #676
darthrupert wrote: post #672

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That would be an actual improvement. Reading the comments section usually just leads to personal energy waste.

On both HN & Reddit, I find the comments more informative and less frustrating than reading the article usually. But I guess YMMV.

10 years ago Reddit used to be a place where you would get informed opinions and less spam. 5 years ago, HN used to be a place where you would get informed opinions and less spam. Neither of them will go back to the same level of quality. Not anymore.
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