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Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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I really don't get the point of those oX-mini models for chat apps. (API is different, we can benchmark multiple models for a given recurring taks and choose the best one taking costs into consideration). As part of my job, I am trying to promote usage of AI in my company (~150 FTE); we have an OpenAI chatGPT plus subscription for all employees. Roughly speaking the message is: "use GPT-4o all the time, use o1 (soon…

Why not promote o1? 4o is rather sloppy in comparison

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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There is no such thing. "Meaning" isn't a property of a label, it arises from how that label is used with other labels in communication. It's actually the reason LLMs work in the first place.

You're gonna need to ground those labels in something physical at some point. No one's going to let an LLM near anything important until then.

You only need it for bootstrapping. Fortunately, we've already done that when we invented first languages. LLMs are just bootstrapping off us.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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> While OpenAI o1 remains our broader general knowledge reasoning model, OpenAI o3-mini provides a specialized alternative for technical domains requiring precision and speed. I feel like this naming scheme is growing a little tired. o1 is for general knowledge reasoning, o3-mini replaces o1-mini but might be more specialized than o1 for certain technical domains...the "o" in "4o" is for "omni" (referring to its mult…

It's almost as bad as the Xbox naming scheme.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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I did update my comment, but said that I am using the distilled version, so yes?

Even the full model scores below Claude on livebench so a distilled version will likely be even worse.

Based on the leaderboard R1 is significantly better than Claude? https://livebench.ai/#/

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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I couldn't find in the documentation anything that describes the relative number of tokens that you get for low/medium/high. I'm curious if anyone can find that, I'd be curious to see how it plays out relative to DeepSeeks thinking sections.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Can't wait to try this. What's amazing to me is that when this was revealed just one short month ago, the AI landscape looked very different than it does today with more AI companies jumping into the fray with very compelling models. I wonder how the AI shift has affected this release internally, future releases and their mindset moving forward... How does the efficiency change, the scope of their models, etc.

There's no moat, and they have to work even harder. Competition is good.

I really don't think this is true. OpenAI has no moat because they have nothing unique; they're using mostly other people's (like Transformers) architectures and other companies hardware.

Their value-prop (moat) is that they've burnt more money than everybody else. That moat is trivially circumvented by lighting a larger pile of money and less trivially by lighting the pile more efficently.

OpenAI isn't the only company. The Tech companies being beaten massively by Microsoft in #of H100s purchases are the ones with a moat. Google / Amazon with their custom AI chips are going to have a better performance per cost than others and that will be a moat. If you want to get the same performance per cost then you need to spend the time making your own chips which is years of effort (=moat).

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Being able to see the thinking trace in R1 is so useful, as you can go back and see if it's getting stuck, making a wrong assumption, missing data, etc. To me that makes it materially more useful than the OpenAI reasoning models, which seem impressive, but are much harder to inspect/debug.

I would actually love if it would just ask me simple questions (just yes/no) when its thinking about something i wasnt clear about and i could help it this way, its a bit sad seeing it write out the assumption and then take the wrong conclusion

You can add that to the prompt. If you're running into those situation with vague assumption, ask it to provide either the answer or questions to provide any useful missing information.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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I’ll take the China Deluxe instead, actually. I’ve been incredibly pleased with DeepSeek this past week. Wonderful product, I love seeing its brain when it’s thinking.

I am running the 7B distilled version locally. I asked it to create a skeleton MEAN project. Everything was great but then it started to generate the front-end and I noticed the file extension (.tsx) and then saw react getting imported. I gave the same prompt to sonnet 3.5 and not a single hiccup. Maybe not an indication that Deepseek is worse/bad (I am using a distilled version), but moreso speaks to much react/next…

You are not actually running DeepSeek, those distilled models have nothing to do with DeepSeek itself and are just finetuned on DeepSeek responses.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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It's like AWS SKU naming (`c5d.metal`, `p5.48xlarge`, etc.), except non-technical consumers are expected to understand it.

Have you seen Azure VM SKU naming? It's.. impressive.

And it doesn’t even line up with the actual instances you’ll be offered. At one point I was using some random Nvidia A10 node that was supposed to be similar to Standard_NV36adms_A10_v5, but was an NC series for some reason with slightly different letters…

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Does anyone know why GPT4 has knowledge cutoff December 2023 and all the other models (newer ones like 4o, O1, O3) seem to have knowledge cutoff October 2023? https://platform.openai.com/docs/models#o3-mini

I understand that keeping the same data and curating it might be beneficial. But it sounds odd to roll back in time with the knowledge cutoff. AFAIK, the only event that happened around that time was the start of the Gaza conflict.

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