So far, it seems like this is the hierarchy o1 > GPT-4o > o3-mini > o1-mini > GPT-4o-mini o3 mini system card: https://cdn.openai.com/o3-mini-system-card.pdf
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#22>developer messages
looks like finally their threat model has been updated to take into account that the user might be too "unaligned" to be trusted with the ability to provide a system message of their own
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#23why should anyone use this when deepseek is free/cheaper?
openai is no longer relevant.
Re: OpenAI O3-Mini
#24So far, it seems like this is the hierarchy o1 > GPT-4o > o3-mini > o1-mini > GPT-4o-mini o3 mini system card: https://cdn.openai.com/o3-mini-system-card.pdf
How would the DeepSeek fit into this?
Or can it not compare? I don't know much about this stuff, but I've heard recently many people talk about DeepSeek and how unexpected it was.
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#25I think OpenAI should just have a single public facing "model" - all these names and versions are confusing.
Imagine if Google, during it's accent, had a huge array of search engines with code names and notes about what it's doing behind the scenes. No, you open the page and type in box. If they can make it work better next month, great.
(I understand this could not apply to developers or enterprise-type API usage).
Re: OpenAI O3-Mini
#26So far, it seems like this is the hierarchy o1 > GPT-4o > o3-mini > o1-mini > GPT-4o-mini o3 mini system card: https://cdn.openai.com/o3-mini-system-card.pdf
If this is the hierarchy, why does 4o score so much higher than o1 on LLM Arena?
Worrisome for OpenAI that Gemini's mini/flash reasoning model outscores both o1 and 4o handily.
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#27Oh look, another model. Yay.
Re: OpenAI O3-Mini
#28So far, it seems like this is the hierarchy o1 > GPT-4o > o3-mini > o1-mini > GPT-4o-mini o3 mini system card: https://cdn.openai.com/o3-mini-system-card.pdf
I think OpenAI really needs to rethink its product naming, especially now that they have a portfolio where there's no such clear hierarchy, but they have a place along different axis (speed, cost, reasoning, capabilities, etc). Your summary attempt e.g. also misses o3-mini vs o3-mini-high. Lots of trade-ofs.
It's like AWS SKU naming (`c5d.metal`, `p5.48xlarge`, etc.), except non-technical consumers are expected to understand it.
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#29Sure as a clock, tick follows tock. Can't imagine trying to build out cost structures, business plans, product launches etc on such rapidly shifting sands. Good that you get more for your money, I suppose. But I get the feeling no model or provider is worth committing to in any serious way.
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#30Hmm, not seeing it in my dashboard yet (Tier 4)