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Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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Post by anonfordays »

kowfm wrote: post #145
anonfordays wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It doesn't mean I'm not right. It doesn't mean you're not wrong. Is this a personal vendetta? >I mean that they give off Fascist vibes, and that it's a problem. Adoration for and support of fascist people and regimes are implicit support of fascism. Where? Link examples where they supported Fascism. "Vibes" are meaningless, I need specific examples of these claims, else they can be tossed outright. >Go read their bl…

I'm not interested in prosecuting that David gives off fascist vibes. I don't have to provide proof. Kinda lazy that you're all not out there looking for the proof yourself. To reorient the discussion around what the original poster talked about, that he gives off Elon Musk Vibes. And that it's a problem. Well it IS a problem. A problem openly, and vigorously discussed in the Ruby community. Many people have left the…

>I'm not interested in prosecuting that David gives off fascist vibes. I don't have to provide proof.

Oh, so you don't have any proof, got it. Your claims have been dismissed, David is not fascist.

>Kinda lazy that you're all not out there looking for the proof yourself.

There is no proof.

>To reorient the discussion around what the original poster talked about, that he gives off Elon Musk Vibes. And that it's a problem. Well it IS a problem.

No proof of this either, so your claim is dismissed outright.

>A problem openly, and vigorously discussed in the Ruby community.

Any proof of this? Who claims it's a problem?

>Many people have left the Ruby community because of his behavior

Looks like a loud minority of leftist activists may have left. That explains how Ruby has only gotten better since.

>many more have chosen never to come into the community because of it.

Many more have chose to join the community now that the activists are gone.

>Anyways, as per my original point, that despite the Fascist vibes from that guy

There are no Fascist vibes as shown above.

Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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Post by xp84 »

wusher wrote: post #160
riffraff wrote: post #138

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I disagree that DHH is a fascist, I do agree he gives off Musk vibes e.g. https://world.hey.com/dhh/mega-a0f62cd4 "so pumped up about Trump" https://world.hey.com/dhh/failed-integration-and-the-fall-of... "multiculturalism is bad" https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-social-media-censorship-era-is... "hooray for lack of fact checking" (you may agree with him or not, and he makes better argument than Musk, but it's the same…

What do any of those quotes have to do with fascism?

I think you’ve discovered the corollary to the “Everything I don’t like is woke” that people say right wingers do. “Everything we don’t like is fascist,” says the far left.

Only way to avoid being called either a fascist or woke (and I know some who are accused of both!) nowadays is to never say anything.

Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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Post by hitekker »

kowfm wrote: post #145
anonfordays wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It doesn't mean I'm not right. It doesn't mean you're not wrong. Is this a personal vendetta? >I mean that they give off Fascist vibes, and that it's a problem. Adoration for and support of fascist people and regimes are implicit support of fascism. Where? Link examples where they supported Fascism. "Vibes" are meaningless, I need specific examples of these claims, else they can be tossed outright. >Go read their bl…

I'm not interested in prosecuting that David gives off fascist vibes. I don't have to provide proof. Kinda lazy that you're all not out there looking for the proof yourself. To reorient the discussion around what the original poster talked about, that he gives off Elon Musk Vibes. And that it's a problem. Well it IS a problem. A problem openly, and vigorously discussed in the Ruby community. Many people have left the…

> I don't have to provide proof. Kinda lazy that you're all not out there looking for the proof yourself

Ironically, this attitude is quite Trumpian. I hope you're just pretending to cover the laziness of your argument.

Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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Post by [deleted] »

a-priori wrote: post #92
anonfordays wrote: post #81

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>The worst part about Rails is the 37signals people, in particular DHH. Why? What is wrong with DHH?

The good news is that I can just say: go ahead and Google “DHH blog”, read his most recent few blog posts and form your own opinions. I’ve had a negative opinion of him for a good five years or so, but at least right now it’s easy to go read those and form your own strong opinion one way or another.

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Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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Post by hitekker »

muzani wrote: post #113
anonfordays wrote: post #93

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>I'm actually reluctant to pick up Rails because it had always been sold by the Basecamp cult and Jason Fried gives off Musk vibes. Why? What "Musk vibes" have they given off?

Success because of A and attributing it to B. There's a bit of megalomania too. He has a beef against VC funding. He lost 1/3 of staff once when he implemented a policy of no personal opinions at Basecamp. He is often shared because of his unpopular opinions and his successes are used to fortify those opinions. I'm not saying Fried or Musk are wrong, and they both have brilliant insights at times. If Musk was crazy a…

I would agree with the sibling: DHH isn't a snake oil salesman and his policies back in 2020 showed keen foresight. As for his opposition...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42593223

Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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Post by the__alchemist »

jondot wrote: post #142

If you're like me and moved off from Ruby to Rust as your go-to-everything, try Loco which tries to be a faithful Rails on Rust (loco.rs). It has the magical scaffold, the smooth experience, and the features you'd expect from Rails including authentication built in (like Devise). Disclaimer: I'm one of the authors of Loco.

I just went over the Github and home page. This sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in, as my general go-to language is rust (For PC applications, embedded etc), but I still use python for web due to Django's comprehensive toolkit (Which Rails also has). I don't think I can stomach Async rust, which appears to be tightly integrated into Loco. (A side effect of Hyper and most of the rust web ecosystem being Async?)

Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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Post by jkmcf »

If you don't know Ruby, and you don't know Ruby on Rails, you have 2ish choices:

1. Go with what you and your team already know (unless what you know doesn't apply to the target space)

2. Learn Ruby and especially Ruby on Rails first. Otherwise, you'll end up with a dumpster fire. Make sure you investigate the idioms, and use Rubocop, ruby-lsp, and ruby-lsp-rails -- there are more tools for linting your code that help you learn what not to do.

If you aren't using Rails for the FE, you are losing at least 30% of the benefits, unless your FE is just rendering what Rails is returning and not managing complex state.

Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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Post by human303 »

anonfordays wrote: post #161
kowfm wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not interested in prosecuting that David gives off fascist vibes. I don't have to provide proof. Kinda lazy that you're all not out there looking for the proof yourself. To reorient the discussion around what the original poster talked about, that he gives off Elon Musk Vibes. And that it's a problem. Well it IS a problem. A problem openly, and vigorously discussed in the Ruby community. Many people have left the…

>I'm not interested in prosecuting that David gives off fascist vibes. I don't have to provide proof. Oh, so you don't have any proof, got it. Your claims have been dismissed, David is not fascist. >Kinda lazy that you're all not out there looking for the proof yourself. There is no proof. >To reorient the discussion around what the original poster talked about, that he gives off Elon Musk Vibes. And that it's a prob…

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Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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Post by megacha0s »

rohan_ wrote: post #54

Modern React is a "full-stack" framework - with the current recommended implementation being NextJS. If you build on NextJS you will get the entire tailwinds of the industry behind you. Having Cursor write a full-stack app that leverages server components alongside client components is a 10x velocity unlock that you won't get if you bifurcate your codebase (as is the rails model) Typescript is going to be the languag…

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