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Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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I have a love hate relationship with rails. I think rails is quite powerful and great for prototyping. But I’ve noticed lots of rails developers optimize so heavily for making things DRY, they make the most hard to debug monstrosities full of meta programming all so they could write a thing one one line of code instead of 3. Still for starting out it’s pretty awesome. If your company grows enough that you have legacy…

> I’ve noticed lots of rails developers optimize so heavily for making things DRY, they make the most hard to debug monstrosities full of meta programming all so they could write a thing one one line of code instead of 3. I think that was definitely the case some years ago, but the Ruby community has matured since then. Meta programming is a bit looked down upon, these days.

Oh yeah totally. Our linter definitely discourages it.

I still see a false equivalency in the ruby community that verbosity == complexity, that tends to make super complex abstractions and DSLs in order to make the consumption less verbose, that then say “see how simple this is to use”

Because rails does such a good job in their DSL, I think I understand why that tendency exists. But rails under the hood is quite complex, and most DSLs are no where near as well thought out.

Maybe I have Stockholm syndrome, because I hated ruby coming from a nearly all c style language background at first, but I honestly think it is pretty cool now. I think a lot of issues come from people wanting to do things in ruby like they would in C# or Java.

Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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As a solo founder, I don't think I could have the same velocity without Rails. I can ship features and fixes with less code and in less time than any other framework I've tried. I think the only other competitor to Rails for small teams is Laravel. Both are fantastic, batteries-included frameworks. Rails is boring, and that's good.

Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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>Is Rails still that good? It is but; Coming from Go, you will likely find Ruby and Rails to be relatively slow. Depending your definition of performance that could be acceptable or a no go. However Your development speed may likely be 5 to 10x. The good thing is that Ruby is not I/O Bound is finally gaining momentum. After years or decades of I/O Bound we have finally come to may be it really is more CPU bound than…

>> However Your development speed may likely be 5 to 10x. Rubbish. This is just fanboi talk that all rails developers tell each other without a shred of science.

I code both in Go and in Rails and that statement is true. Ruby on Rails is 5x/10x the productivity, and that's a very low multiplier, I believe it is higher depending on the kind of application you are building.

You can easily make a webapp with authentication, authorization, literally everything in just a couple of days/weeks.

This takes years in Go, and you likely will end up with lots of code with questionable quality, as Go libraries for developing a Web App aren't as battle tested as Ruby.

I like using Go for tiny services with a defined purpose.

Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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I use node-ts. Why? I have access to every library I will need from any provider or for any task like phone number validation. Node is fast enough, easy to develop, deploy, and scale. Anything that is slow can be ported to Go. It is easy to find solutions to my immediate problems using LLMs. I’m just using express and my data layer consists of neo4j and qdrant. All code is single responsibility and I use layered arch…

Interesting as I currently work with 15 year old RoR database and a 2 years old Node project and every time I jump into the later I want to kill myself. And I’m a mainly JS dev. Node is extremely easy to f up, so is the frontend. And with all the generated code today… it’s gonna get only worse.

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Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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>It doesn't mean I'm not right. It doesn't mean you're not wrong. Is this a personal vendetta? >I mean that they give off Fascist vibes, and that it's a problem. Adoration for and support of fascist people and regimes are implicit support of fascism. Where? Link examples where they supported Fascism. "Vibes" are meaningless, I need specific examples of these claims, else they can be tossed outright. >Go read their bl…

I'm not interested in prosecuting that David gives off fascist vibes. I don't have to provide proof. Kinda lazy that you're all not out there looking for the proof yourself. To reorient the discussion around what the original poster talked about, that he gives off Elon Musk Vibes. And that it's a problem. Well it IS a problem. A problem openly, and vigorously discussed in the Ruby community. Many people have left the…

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Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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But there is LSP support? See: https://shopify.github.io/ruby-lsp/#with-vs-code There's also (the older) solargraph.

Solargraph is like 8+ years old too. This person clearly has no actual rails experience. Every deal breaker he lists has a well established solution in rails.

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Re: Ask HN: Would you still choose Ruby on Rails for a startup in 2025?

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>I mean that they give off Fascist vibes, and that it's a problem But you've just repeated the accusation and said that you think it's a problem. You haven't provided proof of any actual fascism.

I disagree that DHH is a fascist, I do agree he gives off Musk vibes e.g. https://world.hey.com/dhh/mega-a0f62cd4 "so pumped up about Trump" https://world.hey.com/dhh/failed-integration-and-the-fall-of... "multiculturalism is bad" https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-social-media-censorship-era-is... "hooray for lack of fact checking" (you may agree with him or not, and he makes better argument than Musk, but it's the same…

What do any of those quotes have to do with fascism?
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