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Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by stephenhuey »

kouru225 wrote: post #44
b3lvedere wrote: post #6

" However, while AI holds many possibilities for promoting the good, it can also hinder or even counter human development and the common good. Pope Francis has noted that “evidence to date suggests that digital technologies have increased inequality in our world. Not just differences in material wealth, which are also significant, but also differences in access to political and social influence.”[103] In this sense,…

Nah I want to see the numbers on this. Before technology we lived in feudalism. There’s no more unequal system than that.

"We" lived in feudalism? Do you speak for the entire world? Remember that there were peoples that were conquered by industrialist empires who had more equal systems than feudalism or than what we have right now. Communities in the Amazon or isolated Pacific or African islands (and deserts in Africa) have had more equal societies than the USA today and arguably were quite happy till their partway-utopia was wrecked by technologically advanced people. This gives me little hope for people pitching AI leading us into a better society unless the hearts of the people with the power are trustworthy and faithful to promoting good for people rather than profit for themselves.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by sdwr »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #47

Not sure why it is so noteworthy. This is an institution that rejected evolutionary biology and has quietly changed its views over time. Whatever objections they have now, they will abandon for the convenience that future AI will bring. Either that or they will continue to push against while also secretly using it

You don't think that the longest running institution in human history (or so) has any wisdom to impart? They were slow on the uptake, so now they are all mustachioed villains?

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by mrguyorama »

rotexo wrote: post #48

I liked the simple observation in point 35: 'as Pope Francis observes, “the very use of the word ‘intelligence’” in connection with AI “can prove misleading”[69] and risks overlooking what is most precious in the human person.' I was texting my buddy that the proper acronym could be ABNECUI (Almost, But Not Entirely, Completely Unlike Intelligence, to rip something from Douglas Adams). At a more profound level, I rea…

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Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by mikeatlas »

Edman274 wrote: post #38
topherjaynes wrote: post #2

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Why would you even bother reading the summary if you don't care enough about the contents to actually engage with it meaningfully? It's 13,000 words. It's 52 pages of a Harry Potter novel, and you used to be able to devour those. If you believe that AI is as transformative as a lot of people here seem to think it is, maybe it is worth mulling over and digesting the public statement put out by the single largest organ…

The number of words in a passage does not make the reading level the same. From a quick skim, this is a highly dense piece of material and isn't a quick read like paperback fiction written for kids...

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by lokimedes »

simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

My own reflection on this idolatry has been along the lines of how readily some people are at negating their own and humanity in general’s fundamental agency. Having AGI, SAI, etc. is completely meaningless if we as our own agents are not there to value it. In a sense, people preaching the coming dominance of AI are suicidal or homicidal, since they are pursuing their own demise by technical means.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by computerthings »

simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

> Idolatry is always the worship of something into which man has put his own creative powers, and to which he now submits, instead of experiencing himself in his creative act.

-- Erich Fromm, https://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1961/man/ch05.h...

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by superturkey650 »

belter wrote: post #49
simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

This just give me an idea for a Scifi short story, where a industrial society worships a just and fair god, that is nothing more than a lost AI driven probe, from a more advanced civilization a few parsec away...

Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky explores exactly this, though less lost and more accidental exalter.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by progbits »

simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

> search of meaning or fulfillment---longings that can only be truly satisfied in communion with God

This always annoyed me about religion. Such a lazy cop out no answer to such important question.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by mike_hearn »

b3lvedere wrote: post #6

" However, while AI holds many possibilities for promoting the good, it can also hinder or even counter human development and the common good. Pope Francis has noted that “evidence to date suggests that digital technologies have increased inequality in our world. Not just differences in material wealth, which are also significant, but also differences in access to political and social influence.”[103] In this sense,…

He probably is wrong. Giving that statement a reality check, he's arguing that before the internet political and social influence was more spread out than it is now. In other words that social media, blogging, chat groups, websites ... all these things have actually increased the influence of pre-digital institutions and people.

That doesn't sound right at all. It's much easier now for random people to obtain social and political influence, regardless of affiliation. The left is experiencing global distress because they're so worried by the dispersal of social and political influence away from legacy institutions and towards anonymous "chaos actors", as they see it. This is a vast equalization of access to the means of social and political influence, but the Pope thinks it's the reverse. I don't understand that take at all.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by soulofmischief »

belter wrote: post #49
simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

This just give me an idea for a Scifi short story, where a industrial society worships a just and fair god, that is nothing more than a lost AI driven probe, from a more advanced civilization a few parsec away...

You'd might like 17776 if you haven't already read it!

https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football

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