This is a great demonstration of the fact that people coming from very different perspectives can, through good faith inquiry, find much to agree on. I think there are a lot of thoughtful arguments and conclusions in here even though I generally find the catholic church's metaphysical pyrotechnics to be fairly ridiculous. It goes to show that E.O. Wilson's concept of "consilience" can apply even outside of sciences - just as different lines of scientific inquiry converge on a common reality, so can very disparate forms of moral inquiry converge because they both proceed from a shared human experience of what's good and bad in life.
Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence
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Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence
#42I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…
Well, this sounds like it could(will) be in the Orange Catholic Bible!
I can't wait to find out when the Butlerian Jihad starts.
Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Singularitarianism [1] is a very real phenomenon, if a bit niche. I have seen some people online put genuine faith in AGI existing soon and solving essentially everything that is wrong on Earth and in their lives. I don't think this is harmful because it may be "idolatry", but rather because, like real religion, it is often a substitute for actually improving one's situation or fighting for a better world. The idea o…
I have faith that AI will wield unimaginable powers, but I also know that there will be rich people behind them making the decisions on how best to crush the rest of us.
If we have AGI then I doubt that the rich people will be able to control it at all
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#44" However, while AI holds many possibilities for promoting the good, it can also hinder or even counter human development and the common good. Pope Francis has noted that “evidence to date suggests that digital technologies have increased inequality in our world. Not just differences in material wealth, which are also significant, but also differences in access to political and social influence.”[103] In this sense,…
Nah I want to see the numbers on this. Before technology we lived in feudalism. There’s no more unequal system than that.
Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence
#45I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…
>substituting God for an artifact of human making
Is it just me, or is the grammar backwards? I think it should be "substituting an artifact of human making for God", or "substituting God with an artifact of human making".
Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Singularitarianism [1] is a very real phenomenon, if a bit niche. I have seen some people online put genuine faith in AGI existing soon and solving essentially everything that is wrong on Earth and in their lives. I don't think this is harmful because it may be "idolatry", but rather because, like real religion, it is often a substitute for actually improving one's situation or fighting for a better world. The idea o…
I have faith that AI will wield unimaginable powers, but I also know that there will be rich people behind them making the decisions on how best to crush the rest of us.
"Before the gods that made the gods Had seen their sunrise pass The White Horse of the White Horse Vale Was cut out of the grass"
The Ballad of the White Horse by G. K. Chesterton - https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1719/1719-h/1719-h.htm
Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence
#47Not sure why it is so noteworthy. This is an institution that rejected evolutionary biology and has quietly changed its views over time. Whatever objections they have now, they will abandon for the convenience that future AI will bring. Either that or they will continue to push against while also secretly using it
Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence
#48I liked the simple observation in point 35: 'as Pope Francis observes, “the very use of the word ‘intelligence’” in connection with AI “can prove misleading”[69] and risks overlooking what is most precious in the human person.' I was texting my buddy that the proper acronym could be ABNECUI (Almost, But Not Entirely, Completely Unlike Intelligence, to rip something from Douglas Adams).
At a more profound level, I really appreciated point 18 under "Relationality": 'human intelligence is not an isolated faculty but is exercised in relationships, finding its fullest expression in dialogue, collaboration, and solidarity. We learn with others, and we learn through others.'
I was raised Protestant, but taught to be fundamentally skeptical of the political and historical baggage of any religious institution. Though I recognize that writings like this are a result of deeply held faith, it always feels paradoxical when leaders wax poetic about the mystery of God and then say 'so here is what God thinks you should do.' How could they know? That probably sounds basic, but it is my reaction. What draws me back in is the emphasis on our relationships with other human beings. Those relationships are the things that are actually in front of us, and can make a meaningful difference in our day-to-day lives. Something very useful to keep in mind when developing AI (or ABNECUI).
Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence
#49I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…
This just give me an idea for a Scifi short story, where a industrial society worships a just and fair god, that is nothing more than a lost AI driven probe, from a more advanced civilization a few parsec away...
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#50It's great that they're tackling this, but I'm concerned that this take on AI will be quickly superseded by coming advances. As a particular point, they are treating embodiment and learning from direct experience as a significant distinction between AI and humans: > 31. However, even as AI processes and simulates certain expressions of intelligence, it remains fundamentally confined to a logical-mathematical framewor…
> But there's nothing about AI in general that limits it to learning only from prior data Maybe not, but I don't think this is exactly what the piece said here: "AI, lacking a physical body, relies on computational reasoning and learning based on vast datasets that include recorded human experiences and knowledge." Do you think AI will soon get a physical body, and experience "sensory input, emotional responses, soci…
All these words, “sensory input, emotional responses, social interactions, and the unique context of each moment” are all words that we’ve developed and yet have no full understanding of. In any philosophy paper they’d be challenged in a second.