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Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by throw310822 »

jvanderbot wrote: post #16
throw310822 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We're probably still far from passing Steve Wozniak's Coffee Test Do you think? At this point I have the impression it's just a problem of dexterity and speed. Understanding, planning and navigation seem basically solved.

Is this spoken from experience? My experience in robotics tells me otherwise. It's not so much the issue with repeatability (though that is significant), it is moreso the issue with handling novelty. I do not believe there exists a system, which if given sufficient time (to negate speed), and a perfect inverse/forward kinematics sovler, could walk into my house and make coffee. There's too many challenges of the kind…

I was not thinking (much) about robotics but rather about a ChatGPT-style LLM processing video or frames and asked to navigate a random environment and find a way to make coffee. I didn't try but it doesn't sound far from their current capabilities.

Then of course the manipulation of objects is still tricky and needs improvements, but the "general intelligence" needed to adapt to a novel environment is already there.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by keiferski »

This might seem unique or unusual, but technology has been intertwined with religion since well, forever, especially if we consider the book to be a form of technology. Personally one of my favorite historical topics is how the printing press had a huge impact on the Reformation. With the Internet more broadly I think we are in the midst of a second “Reformation” in terms of information sources, the media, etc.

Another cool example is Lewis Mumford’s argument that the industrial age actually started with monks creating rudimentary clocks and organizing life according to specific times in order to achieve their monkish ends.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technics_and_Civilization

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Post by thrance »

simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

Singularitarianism [1] is a very real phenomenon, if a bit niche. I have seen some people online put genuine faith in AGI existing soon and solving essentially everything that is wrong on Earth and in their lives. I don't think this is harmful because it may be "idolatry", but rather because, like real religion, it is often a substitute for actually improving one's situation or fighting for a better world.

The idea of building a God is enticing [2], but I am not religious and prefer not to put faith in such things.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularitarianism

[2] https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Numidium

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

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