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I didn’t know. this line is really upsetting people tonight.
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Commercial jet collides with Black Hawk helicopter near Reagan airport
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#182I just listened to the ATC recording from immediately before the collision. ATC instructs the helicopter to pass behind the CRJ. I’m fairly certain a few minutes before that, ATC instructed the helicopter to maintain visual separation, which is common. They typically ask, “do you have the aircraft in sight” and if you respond in the affirmative they rely on you to maintain safe distance. I should mention that in the…
Here is the ATC audio between the Tower and PAT-25. Helos that transition DCA's airspace use a separate VHF frequency from traffic landing and departing, but talk to the same tower controller.
https://archives.broadcastify.com/44114/20250129/20250129200...
* At 5:41 - 5342 is given instructions for circling to 33.
* At 6:45 - PAT-25 reports Memorial
* At 7:06 - tower gives PAT-25 traffic advisory about 5342 and PAT-25 reports traffic in sight and requests visual separation
* At 8:12 - tower asks PAT-25 if they have the CRJ in sight and tells him to pass behind the CRJ. PAT-25 again reports traffic in sight and again requests visual separation.
* At 8:28 - crash occurs, exclamations, go arounds issued
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#183I sometimes wonder about the value of these news stories on forums and social media. It's all pretty much wild speculation with several potential causes already mentioned on this forum. News important yes, every rando with a few shreds of factoids speculating, not so much.
Don't you know? If a person can program in Rust and Kotlin, that makes him an expert in every other field, too.
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I didn’t know. this line is really upsetting people tonight.
I’m curious, how many people in your business were elected to their jobs?
Do you think people should be electing the ATC agents?
Also, what’s your opinion about the entire cabinet, Elon Musk, and the likes, all of whom are also unelected?
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> Given the strange way the helicopter appeared to fly right into the jet there will be no end to the speculation. There's an ATC recording. No speculation necessary. The Army helicopter pilot is likely at fault.
If you think a recording of ATC saying 'keep an eye out for that plane coming in to land' is going to end speculation then you have no understanding of how people behave on social media. For some reason people are upset about me pointing out the reality that this will generate lots of conspiracy theories. I invite you to consider this example of a prominent public figure engaging in exactly the sort of speculation I described.
https://bsky.app/profile/yasharali.bsky.social/post/3lgwrcvz...
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Regulations are written in blood, which is why it's such a disservice to indiscriminately tear it all down. We will re-learn the same lessons and people will pay for those lessons with their lives.
Some regulations are written and blood but some regulations are written to cover someone's ass and the two should not be treated equally. We shouldn't give equal respect to the Federal Aviation Regulations and to OPM's Qualification Standards for Federal Jobs; doing so deligitamizes the importance of the former.
Why don’t you identify all these easily found regulations then?
There’s a whole YIMBY movement, for example, that has identified specific regulations that are no longer valid and have made tremendous strides in proving and changing these regulations for almost universally better outcomes.
So where are all these specific regulations that are so terrible and the evidence that they are indeed net negatives.
I absolutely believe such regulations exist. But that’s not what these people care about. They simply care about trashing the govt to make it easier to drown, otherwise they would actually act like the YIMBY movement and identify specific regulations and work on changing those.
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> there can be hundreds of arrivals per hour I Googled about this. London Heathrow is widely regarded as the busiest two runway airport in the world. They allow less than 50 arrival per hour. Are there any airports in the world that can have "hundreds of arrivals per hour"? Conservatively, 200 can be considered "hundreds", then you would need 8x runways operating at max capacity. That seems hard to imagine. Google al…
> Serious question: Why is 3D such a hard problem for modern computers? I could imagine a plane enters a cylinder of airspace near the airport and automatically communicates by radio waves information about itself. Then, HAL9000 can provide guidance as a landing plan. Maybe I'm getting older. Maybe it is a more modern phenomena, enabled by a steady diet of 30 second videos. Either way, I'm quite disturbed, regularly,…
You're reading into it too much. It wasn't dismissive.
And the framing of "3d" is a reasonable followup to the train comparison.
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[2] shows the helicopter taking off 2 miles away from the old saudi embassy in McLean marked “permanently closed” on google maps. (The current embassy is in DC proper, directly across the river from DCA airport) I don’t think thats strong evidence that it took off from the old Saudi Embassy - thats pretty far away even given your caveat about accuracy. Edit: it looks to me like the black hawk was coming from somewher…
That was clearly a training flight
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> Serious question: Why is 3D such a hard problem for modern computers? I could imagine a plane enters a cylinder of airspace near the airport and automatically communicates by radio waves information about itself. Then, HAL9000 can provide guidance as a landing plan. Maybe I'm getting older. Maybe it is a more modern phenomena, enabled by a steady diet of 30 second videos. Either way, I'm quite disturbed, regularly,…
You're reading into it too much. It wasn't dismissive. And the framing of "3d" is a reasonable followup to the train comparison.
Well, if it wasn't, it certainly is now! ;)