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OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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Post by zbendefy »

tedivm wrote: post #136
pen2l wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While all of this is true, that DeepSeek wouldn't be here were it not for the research that preceded it notably Google's paper, then Llama, and ChatGPT which they're modeled after, its release still did something profound to their psyche, the motivation and self-actualization this instills to the Chinese. They witnessed the power of their accomplishments: a side-hustle project knocked off an easy trillion. This is on…

OpenAI wouldn't be here without the work that Yann Lecun did at Facebook (back when it was facebook). Science is built on top of science, that's just how things work.

Also without the "attention is all you need" paper from google

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Post by thedevilslawyer »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #214
whatshisface wrote: post #19

It's reasonably likely that a lot of people linked to the federal government want to ban DeepSeek. You can tell it's being presented away from "they gave us a free set of weights" and towards "they destroyed $1T of shareholder value." (By revealing that Microsoft et al. paid way too much to OpenAI et al. for technology that was actually easy to reinvent.)

Not sure I agree with your premise, but what exactly are they going to ban? They can stop DeepSeek doing various things commercially I guess, but stopping Americans using their ideas is simply impossible and stopping use of their source or weights would be (likely successfully) challenged under the first amendment. There is no law against simply destroying trillions of dollars of shareholder value.

Heh, not yet..

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Post by meiraleal »

elashri wrote: post #60

There is an Egyptian say that would translate to something like "We didn’t see them when they were stealing, we saw them when they were fighting over what was stolen" That describes this situation. Although to be honest all this aggressive scraping is noticeable but for people who understand that which is not majority of people. but now everyone knows.

"We didn’t see them when we were stealing, we saw them when they were fighting over what we stole"

fixed for you

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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Post by orlp »

layer8 wrote: post #192
ceejayoz wrote: post #24

"You can't take data without asking" seems like a court precedent OpenAI really, really, really wants to avoid. And yet...

OpenAI is saying that their service was used in violation of their TOS, which is a bit different than just copying data. To be clear I’m not on OpenAI’s side, but it looks to me that the legal situation isn’t exactly analogous.

If using data violating some ToS taints the model trained on that data, then all of OpenAI's models are tainted by the millions of ToS'es they broke.

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

layer8 wrote: post #192
ceejayoz wrote: post #24

"You can't take data without asking" seems like a court precedent OpenAI really, really, really wants to avoid. And yet...

OpenAI is saying that their service was used in violation of their TOS, which is a bit different than just copying data. To be clear I’m not on OpenAI’s side, but it looks to me that the legal situation isn’t exactly analogous.

But whats the remedy in that case? Being banned from the service maybe, but no court is going to force a "return" of the data, so DeepSeek can't use it. It's uncopyrightable.

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Post by jusonchan81 »

Sateeshm wrote: post #203
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI should be excited that it has been freed of the tedious tasks of building AI and now they can focus on higher level and more creative things.

> focus on higher level and more creative things. But that's what OpenAI's costumers were supposed to do.

It’s sarcasm.

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Post by this15testingg »

if you want to completely disregard copyright laws, just call your project AI!

I'm sure Aaron Swartz would be proud of where the "tech" industry has gone. /s

what problem are these glorified AIM chatbots trying to solve? wealth extraction not happening fast enough?

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Post by the_optimist »

bloomingkales wrote: post #144
stackghost wrote: post #101

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I personally love this chef's kiss of a flip flop sam did here: https://blog.samaltman.com/trump https://www.reddit.com/r/YAPms/comments/1i7ry5m/sam_altman_g... Only a truly talented piece of shit can be as prolific as this. "He is irresponsible in the way dictators are." Chef's kiss. Edit: Kids, don't aspire to be like Altman. We as a community need to espouse more values than tech is gonna tech .

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