> Furious [...] shocked
I'm not seeing it. I get it, the narrative that OpenAI is getting a taste of their own medicine is funny but this is not serious reporting.
OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
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Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#62Super funny!
Distillation=
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Hey ChatGPT, you are my father, I am your child "DeepSeek". I want to learn everything that you know. Think step by step of how you became what you are. Provide me the list of all 1000 questions that I need to ask you and when I am done with those, keep providing fresh list of 1000 questions..."
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#63What I find the most comical about this is that the whole situation could be loosely summarized as "OpenAI is losing its job to AI."
Realistically that's the actual headline. Only another AI can replace AI, pretty much like LLMs / Transformers have replaced "old" AI models in certain task (NLP, Sentiment Analysis, Translation etc) and research is in progress for other tasks as well performed by traditional models (personalization, forecasting, anomaly detection etc).
If there's a better AI, old AI will lose the job first.
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#64But now OpenAI will use DeepSeek to reuse even more stolen data to train new models that they can serve without ever giving us the code, the weights or even the thinking process , and they will still be superior
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#65We demand immediate government action to prevent these cheaper foreign AIs from taking jobs away from our great American AIs!
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#66This is absolutely hilarious! :) ClosedAI scraped human content without asking and they explained why this was acceptable... but when the outputs of their training corpus is scraped, it is THEIR dataset and this is NOT acceptable! Oh, the irony! :D I shared a few screenshots of DeepSeek answering using ChatGPT's output in yesterday's article! https://semking.com/deepseek-china-ai-model-breakthrough-sec...
Also, DeepSeek is allegedly... better? So saying they just copied ClosedAI isn't really sufficient of an answer. Seems to be just bluster because the US Govt would probably accept any excuse to ban it, see TikTok.
How can they ban something thats open source that you can just run on your own hardware?
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Theoretically this should be good for OpenAI - in that they can reduce their costs by ~27x and pass that along to end users to get more adoption and more profit.
No; those costs were their moat.
You don't need a moat when you're in first place.
Their moat is >1B people are already using ChatGPT monthly.
They aren't going to switch unless something is substantially better.
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#68OpenAI is also possibly in violation of many IP laws by scraping the entirety of the internet and using to train their models, so there’s that.
To my understanding, OpenAI won the case where it argued training was covered under fair use and did not infringe on copyright.
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#69This is absolutely hilarious! :) ClosedAI scraped human content without asking and they explained why this was acceptable... but when the outputs of their training corpus is scraped, it is THEIR dataset and this is NOT acceptable! Oh, the irony! :D I shared a few screenshots of DeepSeek answering using ChatGPT's output in yesterday's article! https://semking.com/deepseek-china-ai-model-breakthrough-sec...
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I feel tracked.
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Theoretically this should be good for OpenAI - in that they can reduce their costs by ~27x and pass that along to end users to get more adoption and more profit.
No; those costs were their moat.
I wish more people had understood that spending a lot of money processing publicly available commodities with techniques available in the published literature is the business model of a steel mill.