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Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by nickpp »

1659447091 wrote: post #108
malicka wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The first part is true, the second is not People wanted this because news and social media have told them to want – both which are functionally mouth-pieces of the ultra-wealthy. News has been consolidating into fewer hands for decades; it’s only getting worse, and their owners more emboldened. The popular social media sites, when not owned and manipulated directly by their owning oligarchs, are subject to a massiv…

> People wanted this because news and social media have told them to want ... > are subject to a massive amount of astroturfing ... The wealthy chose Trump, and so it is People refuse to believe this can happen to them. Just as people do not believe they can be influenced by TikTok algos or advertising. They would know if it were happening to them; doesn't matter if they are left right east west up down or sideways,…

The exact same argument, that Trump voters were “influenced” by algos, can be made that anti-Trump voters were influenced by mainstream media or whatever.

So you either believe that people have agency and actually decide for themselves, or that they are puppets and democracy is a sham.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by nickpp »

compass_copium wrote: post #30
Hatchback7599 wrote: post #16

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You know what else injects money back into the economy? Letting tax payers keep more of their tax dollars.

For low-wage employees who spend almost all of their income on goods and services, yes. For highly compensated employees who save the majority of their money, no.

Saved money are also injected back into the economy. They aren’t stored under the mattress. They are in banks, where they are lent out, spent and invested, creating jobs, buying goods and services.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by calrain »

Hatchback7599 wrote: post #16
calrain wrote: post #4

Future America will understand that you don't treat government like a company. The money government spends on salaries is money directly injected back into the economy, it could be seen as a form of social welfare.

You know what else injects money back into the economy? Letting tax payers keep more of their tax dollars.

Lowering government expenses will not reduce the tax burden of the majority of Americans.

Trumps original tax plan benefits the higher income earners at the expense of lower and middle income earners.

Source: https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/donald-trump-...

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by 1659447091 »

nickpp wrote: post #121
1659447091 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People wanted this because news and social media have told them to want ... > are subject to a massive amount of astroturfing ... The wealthy chose Trump, and so it is People refuse to believe this can happen to them. Just as people do not believe they can be influenced by TikTok algos or advertising. They would know if it were happening to them; doesn't matter if they are left right east west up down or sideways,…

The exact same argument, that Trump voters were “influenced” by algos, can be made that anti-Trump voters were influenced by mainstream media or whatever. So you either believe that people have agency and actually decide for themselves, or that they are puppets and democracy is a sham.

Maybe re-read what I wrote?

> So you either believe that people have agency and actually decide for themselves, or that they are puppets and democracy is a sham.

Do you always think in such binary terms? Life is nuanced, there very few absolute binaries, but as I originally pointed out, those that hold on to that "either or" absolute type of thinking were my easiest, most profitable sales.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by lifestyleguru »

apexalpha wrote: post #118

So when they said they would run the government 'like a business' they actually meant a Private Equity hostile take-over informed by 1970 McKinsey consultants. It's day 8. Good luck all.

Welcome to the era of private jets, record-setting yachts, prime real estate, and Russian prostitutes. Tremendous. PS you're not working hard enough and salaries are frozen.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by d1sxeyes »

rayiner wrote: post #113
tptacek wrote: post #111

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I mean, if you want to see him set the land-speed record on getting a TRO, beating today's performance, by all means let's see him try. Your guess is good as mine which way Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will go on admin-law/separation-of-powers issues. Maybe it'll be resolved before the midterms! My read of this is that no 8-month severance has been offered, for whatever that's worth.

That’s what DOJ is for. He’s got the pointiest eggheads working for him now. He should litigate everything. And if people don’t like where we’re at in 2 years or 4 years, they’ll vote accordingly! AP is reporting 8 months severance: https://apnews.com/article/trump-buyouts-to-all-federal-empl...

This letter does not say severance. It is deferred resignation. During the 'notice period' of 8 months, as far as I can tell the only definite derogation is that there will be no return to office required during those 8 months.

While I'm sure some people will end up with gardening leave for those 8 months, it's not guaranteed by the letter (my emphasis):

> If you resign under this program, you [..] will be exempted from all applicable in-person work requirements until September 30, 2025

> I understand my employing agency will likely make adjustments in response to my resignation including moving, eliminating, consolidating, reassigning my position and tasks, reducing my official duties, and/or placing me on paid administrative leave until my resignation date.

> I will assist my employing agency with completing reasonable and customary tasks

Seems AP are reporting on this exact same thing, I'm not sure why their read is that this is a 'buy out' or 'severance'. All it is is a waiver of Return To Office for 8 months provided you resign at the end of those 8 months.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by therealpygon »

DaSHacka wrote: post #94
fooblaster wrote: post #33

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Did you miss the part where the mob that stormed the capital was fully pardoned despite the incredible violence? This is dictator shit. He's telling his supporters violence is okay against his political enemies and he will cover for you.

Is this not exactly what Biden also did in his last month in office? So far both presidents have blanket pardoned a mix of political allies, family members, and rioters right in front of the American public and no one's talking about it... I feel like I'm going crazy, are people really this oblivious?

Sorry, which violent insurrectionists did Biden pardon? Or are you comparing this to Biden pardoning people who were already receiving threats that they would be targeted for political prosecutions from the incoming administration, or is it the non-violent offenders who were placed in jail for such crimes as having a bag of pot? Or are you talking about his son who, while I don’t agree with, I also recognize that it’s his son at the end of the day?

“Both sides” is the excuse of people too lazy to objectively look at the real differences between actions while they sit on their party line. I don’t particularly like what liberals want, but they and their real Republican counterparts go about it in a lot different way than Trumpers.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by compass_copium »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #75
compass_copium wrote: post #30

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For low-wage employees who spend almost all of their income on goods and services, yes. For highly compensated employees who save the majority of their money, no.

The solution is simple, crash the economy so there are more people spending their whole paycheck every month

Looks to be the plan.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by orwin »

nickpp wrote: post #122
compass_copium wrote: post #30

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For low-wage employees who spend almost all of their income on goods and services, yes. For highly compensated employees who save the majority of their money, no.

Saved money are also injected back into the economy. They aren’t stored under the mattress. They are in banks, where they are lent out, spent and invested, creating jobs, buying goods and services.

You're only 1/3 right. Saved money isn't lent, nor spent (lending is just creating money). It's invested, 95% in the secondary market (probably more in the US). If the secondary market isn't correlated to actual production (and nowadays, it actually isn't, even in mining, prospecting and future are the main beneficiaries, which to me is crazy. One of the only exceptions is the energy sector), that money won't create real jobs.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by nickpp »

orwin wrote: post #129
nickpp wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saved money are also injected back into the economy. They aren’t stored under the mattress. They are in banks, where they are lent out, spent and invested, creating jobs, buying goods and services.

You're only 1/3 right. Saved money isn't lent, nor spent (lending is just creating money). It's invested, 95% in the secondary market (probably more in the US). If the secondary market isn't correlated to actual production (and nowadays, it actually isn't, even in mining, prospecting and future are the main beneficiaries, which to me is crazy. One of the only exceptions is the energy sector), that money won't create…

What do you think those sellers on the secondary markets do with the money they get?

At the end of the investing chain it’s always jobs, products and services - or bank deposits.

Any money not physically hidden in a cash vault or under a mattress takes part in the economy.

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