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Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by genewitch »

bushbaba wrote: post #34
nejsjsjsbsb wrote: post #15

Trump is winning the intimidation wars so far. But I wonder when "everybody else" the 7.6bn or so get fucked off and start creating treaties and deals that are bad for the US.

Policy is from Biden admin not trump.

I expect this refrain a lot; US eggs are 90 days farm to table give or take a month, so egg shortages began at least 3 months ago. Drborah birx explained we culled 107mm fowl in the US last year to prevent human mutation of bird flu. Started in June. Also the menthol ban was a biden admin sneak.

Anyhow I'm a big fan of accountability and I'm already seeing this phrase pop up.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by [deleted] »

ricardobeat wrote: post #53
nisten wrote: post #48

It's no surprise the Swiss have been classified as second tier country given plenty of evidence Switzerland has enabled money laundering for an adversary. You can't both deny an ally amo to claim neutrality while holding their enemies cash amo. Russia’s Alpine Assets: Money Laundering and Sanctions Evasion in Switzerland. https://www.csce.gov/press-releases/hearing-russias-alpine-a...

Switzerland is historically neutral going back 500 years. You can’t be neutral while picking sides, and the munitions block was precisely to protect that neutrality. It’s not difficult to understand.

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Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by genewitch »

sneak wrote: post #42
genewitch wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the machines German or am I misremembering? The ones in the video were maybe 14nm and I vaguely recall the machines being manufactured in Germany and flown and assembled for TSMC. I know, for example, that Motorola and Texas instruments know how to fab, and a dire shortage would be things like 680x0 and 6502 and 386 (see intel quark for the state of 386/486 processors a decade ago...) And ideally there'd be natio…

Dutch. ASML is in the Netherlands.

Oof, my dad would never let me hear the end of it.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by Gigachad »

cocoggu wrote: post #61
cookiemonsieur wrote: post #32

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It doesn't even matter at this point. As evidenced by DeepSeek. A growing portion of the world is distancing themselves from the west, and It's a good thing. People should have the ability to choose who they do business with without a third party strongarming them.

Can you please explain to me why AI chips don't matters anymore because of DeepSeek? I thought it was just a better model, but perhaps I didn't get it?

Deepseek used older generation chips and developed a model that takes significantly less compute. Making having access to tons of the latest nvidia hardware unnecessary.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by ricardobeat »

egeozcan wrote: post #47
__rito__ wrote: post #26

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Foreign-born != Non-white

(This is not a comment on what you said but something for the whole thread) May I kindly ask that we do not say "white" and "non-white" as if it has a global definition? I think all people here mean "European" when they say "white". There are many Europeans with dark skin color and being "white" is very context dependent, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Turks I mean I, as someone non-European althoug…

What would be really considerate, is not bucketing people by the color of their skin at all. Seems like a radical call these days…

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by iforgot22 »

lmm wrote: post #52
sschueller wrote: post #19

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The US classifies people into racial categories based on skin tone, and then imagines that these racial categories are objective and used around the world.

The original comment by a Dane here said "white," a skin tone.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by maeil »

nisten wrote: post #58
ricardobeat wrote: post #53

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Switzerland is historically neutral going back 500 years. You can’t be neutral while picking sides, and the munitions block was precisely to protect that neutrality. It’s not difficult to understand.

They picked the side of Russian oligarchy cash it seems.

They did not - Switzerland valiantly guards plenty of dodgy assets for the US oligarchy all the same.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by logicchains »

nejsjsjsbsb wrote: post #13
roenxi wrote: post #4

> US President Donald Trump has also announced that the USA will not introduce the global minimum tax. Corporations are the legal structure that enables, creates and sustains modern life. Taxes reduce the amount of money that will be pushed through that structure. There are people who's entire worldly possessions were made by companies. It is a little more qualitative, but the people with the most and best corporatio…

Corporations aren't the whole deal. You need governments too. Without governments COVID kills a billion people not a few million. Also without governments you don't have the structure to have corporations. You would have effectively flotillas of pirate ships shooting at each other, not the modern economy.

> Without governments COVID kills a billion people not a few million.

That's an absurd claim. There was no statistical evidence of any positive effect of lockdowns etc. on mortality: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5... "Rapid border closures, full lockdowns, and wide-spread testing were not associated with COVID-19 mortality per million people."

Similarly https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/hec.4737 :

"Using an event study approach and data from 43 countries and all U.S. states, we measure changes in excess deaths following the implementation of COVID-19 shelter-in-place (SIP) policies. We do not find that countries or U.S. states that implemented SIP policies earlier had lower excess deaths. We do not observe differences in excess deaths before and after the implementation of SIP policies, even when accounting for pre-SIP COVID-19 death rates."

The lowest mortality rates were in Africa, where governments did no intervention. Because the covid mortality rate was under 1% for anyone not very old or obese, and there aren't a billion very old/obese people in the world.

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Post by ricardobeat »

roenxi wrote: post #49
bilekas wrote: post #7

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This is a bit of a nieve view and I also get the sentiment you think taxes are some kind of punishment. Taxes are a charge on running the country and infrastructure good enough so that your business can profit and enhance an economy. If you think compabies are being taxed too much then you don't grasp how much profits they're actually making. And how much of the countries resource and infrastructure they take up.

I don't think you have gotten the sentiment at all. How did you get from what I wrote to seeing taxes as a form of punishment?

> It is like mandating a minimum number of days people must not work, or that they have to ingest poison on

Sounds like you think that’s a bad thing (aka punishment).

By the way, the former is called “holidays” and is regulated by law in the majority of the world, the US is the odd one out. Even China has a 11-day minimum vacation policy.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by lmm »

iforgot22 wrote: post #76
lmm wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US classifies people into racial categories based on skin tone, and then imagines that these racial categories are objective and used around the world.

The original comment by a Dane here said "white," a skin tone.

I suspect they meant the US-cultural racial category "white" (which is of course named for the skin tone).
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