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Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by raincole »

sschueller wrote: post #12

It doesn't matter now as deepseek has shown. Also this was done under Binden so we have no idea what Trump will do. However it does spoil the relationship and maybe the next time around when Switzerland is ready to spend 6B Swiss Francs on planes it won't be US made ones. Additionally if Trump doesn't follow the agreed upon global minimum tax which Switzerland also bent over backwards for why would it do any such agr…

> It doesn't matter now as deepseek has shown

People keep saying that DeepSeek R1's training cost is just $5.6M. Where is the source?

I'm not even asking for the proof. Just the source, even a self-claimed statement. I've read the R1's paper and it doesn't say the number of $5.6M. Is it somewhere in DeepSeek's press release?

Google just gives me a lot of medium articles and journalist sites. It sounds awfully like a number made up by some analyst and got parroting around. I've even seen people on X saying DeepSeek is "lying", while I can't even find what the exact DeepSeek's claim is.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by sneak »

genewitch wrote: post #35
sofixa wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China just needs to infiltrate Taiwan, which is geographically and culturally closer than the US. Taiwan is China. Their official name is the Republic of China, and they're the remnants of the losers from the civil war that ran away go to an island and assimilated the locals. They still officially claim to be "the one and only real" China. For Americans, think it the Confederation ran away to Puerto Rico (assuming…

Are the machines German or am I misremembering? The ones in the video were maybe 14nm and I vaguely recall the machines being manufactured in Germany and flown and assembled for TSMC. I know, for example, that Motorola and Texas instruments know how to fab, and a dire shortage would be things like 680x0 and 6502 and 386 (see intel quark for the state of 386/486 processors a decade ago...) And ideally there'd be natio…

Dutch. ASML is in the Netherlands.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by SllX »

dtquad wrote: post #8
kleton wrote: post #2

Do the Swiss want to be considered someone's ally or neutral?

Being from Denmark I have always been puzzled by how US/UK media portray us as neo-Hitlers for being slightly more critical of MENA immigration than our neighbors. Meanwhile Switzerland has been doing what almost amounts to white-only immigration to the point that their "troublesome" immigrants are Europeans from Albanaia and Serbia. Neutrality is good for PR.

Half of the US media portrays half of the country as neo-Hitlers for being slightly more critical of immigration than their neighbors. We generally have one of the most open borders, relatively straightforward legal immigration paths and more than twice as many Green Card holders than Denmark has people. We also, at least for the moment, still have unrestricted birthright citizenship, a policy pretty much no countries in Europe have.

So, don’t feel so alone.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by belter »

labster wrote: post #33
dtquad wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being from Denmark I have always been puzzled by how US/UK media portray us as neo-Hitlers for being slightly more critical of MENA immigration than our neighbors. Meanwhile Switzerland has been doing what almost amounts to white-only immigration to the point that their "troublesome" immigrants are Europeans from Albanaia and Serbia. Neutrality is good for PR.

Being from the US, I would say that US media does not portray Denmark at all. Except once every few years as Greenland hodlers. Pretty much everything I know about Denmark is from watching Danish language TV on Netflix.

> Except once every few years as Greenland hodlers

Only definition of Hodler seems to be: a true believer in cryptocurrency

Is there some secret project going on in Greenland? :-)

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by true_religion »

motaforever2019 wrote: post #24
sschueller wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The first non white country there is Eritrea at 14.

TIL that Turkey is considered a white nation.

Either case Switzerlands demographics don't seem too different from their neighbors like Austria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Austria

I won't doubt that they have a Euro-centric immigration policy, but I'm curious why a landlocked nation in the center of Europe really needs anything else.

I'm from a West African country and our immigration policy is arms open to our neighbors, and non-existant for European countries except for the UK.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by brianstrimp »

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #16
aktuel wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, what country doesn't act like they have this cake replicator technology? Certainly the U.S. and England are firmly in cakeism territory.

I don't think it's too much wrong with using the exploits you've got since every country would do that if they could, just don't piss on peoples' heads and tell them it's raining. Pretending you're neutral while you're dealing with all sides is a very hypocritical definition of neutrality that people aren't buying.

> Pretending you're neutral while you're dealing with all sides

That's the very definition of it though.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by egeozcan »

__rito__ wrote: post #26
sschueller wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Foreign-born != Non-white

(This is not a comment on what you said but something for the whole thread)

May I kindly ask that we do not say "white" and "non-white" as if it has a global definition? I think all people here mean "European" when they say "white". There are many Europeans with dark skin color and being "white" is very context dependent, for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Turks

I mean I, as someone non-European although with very light skin and blue eyes, take no offense from the usage here personally as I understand you mean European, but I still think it'd be nice to be more considerate.

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by nisten »

It's no surprise the Swiss have been classified as second tier country given plenty of evidence Switzerland has enabled money laundering for an adversary.

You can't both deny an ally amo to claim neutrality while holding their enemies cash amo.

Russia’s Alpine Assets: Money Laundering and Sanctions Evasion in Switzerland.

https://www.csce.gov/press-releases/hearing-russias-alpine-a...

Re: USA restricts Swiss access to AI computer chips

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Post by roenxi »

bilekas wrote: post #7
roenxi wrote: post #4

> US President Donald Trump has also announced that the USA will not introduce the global minimum tax. Corporations are the legal structure that enables, creates and sustains modern life. Taxes reduce the amount of money that will be pushed through that structure. There are people who's entire worldly possessions were made by companies. It is a little more qualitative, but the people with the most and best corporatio…

This is a bit of a nieve view and I also get the sentiment you think taxes are some kind of punishment. Taxes are a charge on running the country and infrastructure good enough so that your business can profit and enhance an economy. If you think compabies are being taxed too much then you don't grasp how much profits they're actually making. And how much of the countries resource and infrastructure they take up.

I don't think you have gotten the sentiment at all. How did you get from what I wrote to seeing taxes as a form of punishment?
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