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Re: Purelymail: Cheap, no-nonsense email

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An interesting service, and very competitively priced. But for me, my email is fairly mission-critical. It's not something I'm prepared to endow in a one-man shop. I don't mean to offend, but it looks like something that might be used as something of a novelty. Were I to use it, I'd be backing up my email locally.

You should be backing up your email locally regardless, even if you use Google Workspace or Fastmail.

Isn't back-up longhand for POP in this context?

Re: Purelymail: Cheap, no-nonsense email

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I don't agree with you. A key reason to host your email with a reliable cloud storage provider is to have backups handled for you. Fastmail is particularly good in that respect, since it takes periodic backups for you, allowing deleted items to be accessed. To put things in perspective, I dare say that many large commercial organisations who rely on Office 365 are not backing up emails locally. They do likely have fa…

As miles pointed out, the risk is not that they lose your data. The risk is that you lose your account. They don’t owe you a data download if they decide to terminate the business relationship which they can do at any time without notice or cause. You agree to this when you sign up. Not having backups of important data in your own possession is just plain stupid. You’re paying them to be online 24/7 and speak IMAP/SM…

This is such a remote possibility, at least with Fastmail, that I do not consider it reasonable to implement my own backup solution. If they are going to shut down, it isn't going to occur imminently and without any warning.

It's an easy statement to make: "just take a backup". But that requires me to dedicate time to implementing a secure and automated solution (and of course, routinely testing restoring it). I'm not doing that, because I pay the service to do that for me. If I'm going to that effort, I may as well self-host.

Re: Purelymail: Cheap, no-nonsense email

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I have heard this a lot of times but self hosting email is one of the hardest things to do , sure if you are masochist then do it , but if you are a working functional part of society , not recommended.

> self hosting email is one of the hardest things to do I spent an hour setting up postfix and some milters on a Digital Ocean droplet around 7 years ago and it's been working fine as my personal email server with no deliverability issues or maintenance since then. I ssh in every few years to try out a new spam filter or something and maybe upgrade some packages if I feel like it. These days there are even easier mai…

Setting up a mail server isn't hard. Making it trustworthy enough for Gmail, Yahoo, or Outlook.com to accept your messages and not put them in the spam folder is the hard part. Especially if whoever had your IP address previously was sending spam.

Re: Purelymail: Cheap, no-nonsense email

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> self hosting email is one of the hardest things to do I spent an hour setting up postfix and some milters on a Digital Ocean droplet around 7 years ago and it's been working fine as my personal email server with no deliverability issues or maintenance since then. I ssh in every few years to try out a new spam filter or something and maybe upgrade some packages if I feel like it. These days there are even easier mai…

Setting up a mail server isn't hard. Making it trustworthy enough for Gmail, Yahoo, or Outlook.com to accept your messages and not put them in the spam folder is the hard part. Especially if whoever had your IP address previously was sending spam.

In my experience, every large provider except Microsoft will default to delivering your emails to the destination inbox unless your mails actually look like spam, you incorrectly set up a verification mechanism like SPF or DKIM, or your IP has a bad reputation (which usually only comes with sketchy hosting providers, as good ones will quickly cut off spam coming from their network). Microsoft was well known at the time for having the extremely annoying policy of just automatically blackhole-ing any new mail server until you contacted them and got yourself whitelisted. I did that when I first set up my mail server and got a response the next day saying I was whitelisted. No idea if they still have that policy, and I've never had to do it for any other host.

But like I said, I've put very little effort into this and have no problem getting into my recipients' inboxes with all major mail providers.

Re: Purelymail: Cheap, no-nonsense email

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How is deliverability? Because for $11/year you can get a simple kvm machine and run your own servers.

I have heard this a lot of times but self hosting email is one of the hardest things to do , sure if you are masochist then do it , but if you are a working functional part of society , not recommended.

I really have an issue with that.

On the one hand, it's just wrong. Self-hosting mail is not easy because you need to learn how things work. But it's far from being "one of the hardest things to do", even in the domain of hosting things. A properly set up mail server will seamlessly send mails to almost any other MTA. The only large exception is microsoft. The abuse their market power by black-list all new MTAs by default until you create a ticket to "mitigate" this and they tend to re-blacklist small MTAs from time to time.

On the other hand, it's that kind of statements that worsen the situation. People should be encouraged to set up their own MTAs and provided with help to do it in a good professional way. It's one important part of keeping the mail part internet free and not in the hand of few large companies.

Re: Purelymail: Cheap, no-nonsense email

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post #108

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As miles pointed out, the risk is not that they lose your data. The risk is that you lose your account. They don’t owe you a data download if they decide to terminate the business relationship which they can do at any time without notice or cause. You agree to this when you sign up. Not having backups of important data in your own possession is just plain stupid. You’re paying them to be online 24/7 and speak IMAP/SM…

This is such a remote possibility, at least with Fastmail, that I do not consider it reasonable to implement my own backup solution. If they are going to shut down, it isn't going to occur imminently and without any warning. It's an easy statement to make: "just take a backup". But that requires me to dedicate time to implementing a secure and automated solution (and of course, routinely testing restoring it). I'm no…

It's possible your definition of mission critical just doesn't match up to that of those responding to your comment.

If the loss of a set of data would threaten the existence of the company, that's mission critical. While having a sophisticated niche tech partner handle day to day operations of that data is one part of managing the risk of data loss, if one put all their eggs in only that one basket, that would possibly indicate one has a lack of experience with tech vendors and hasn't read anything about managing risk.

Every business should have at least one routinely tested, independent path for mission critical data recovery.

Re: Purelymail: Cheap, no-nonsense email

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I also use this. Pros: super cheap. Cons: UI is bad, so you'll want to access through a client. 1 person shop. Not audited AFAIK.

+ is not gmail. + is industry standard, supported by almost all mail servers (if configured) since long before gmail existed.

It's gmail in the sense that they deliver you+[whatever]@gmail.com to you@gmail.com

By default it's just a valid character.

Re: Purelymail: Cheap, no-nonsense email

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Is it still a one-man operation? They used to have a blurb about that on their website, but I cannot find it anymore. The bus-factor of one was probably the main reason I did not choose them when I de-googled myself during Google's fiasco with their "free forever" Legacy GSuite termination. I found out a year or two later that they had rescinded their termination, but it was too late. I had migrated out of Google, to…

It is, but he has someone ready if he gets hit by a bus.

Don’t take this the wrong way — really, no hate — but I find it amusing that a cryptic comment from a green-text account on HN is the best business continuity planning documentation available :D

Re: Purelymail: Cheap, no-nonsense email

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post #75

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+ is not gmail. + is industry standard, supported by almost all mail servers (if configured) since long before gmail existed.

It's gmail in the sense that they deliver you+[whatever]@gmail.com to you@gmail.com By default it's just a valid character.

nope, exactly this feature you describe is what i am referring to. it's not a gmail invention. not by a long shot.
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