Meh. I'm holding out for Leopard. Sure hope it's good!
Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X
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Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X
#12One thing I noticed is that the main menu has some items I don't think apply to your app:
https://i.ibb.co/7rXcMCH/Screen-Shot-2025-01-26-at-7-37-12-P...
Page Setup? Print? Unless there's an aspect of your app I'm missing, I think you want to get rid of these.
The other menus also have some stuff you may want to cut down on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, I don't think you can actually open files in this app, right? So then `New` `Open`, `Open Recent` and so on probably shouldn't be there.
I'm using 10.9 instead of 10.4, still pretty old but a lot newer than Tiger, so if this is OS specific please ignore me. :)
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Edit:
Your app stopped loading new categories for me, so I tried disconnecting and reconnecting. When I tried to reconnect, it never completed. Then I saw this in Console.app:
```
1/26/25 7:44:36.466 PM Uppercut[80462]: IRC | Received message: NOTICE AUTH :*** Found your hostname :irc.swepipe.se NOTICE nZuLWvRtl :*** Banned Temporary K-line 4320 min. - Open proxy found. See http://rbl.efnetrbl.org/?i=###.###.###.### for more information. (2025/1/27 00.37) ERROR :Closing Link: syn-###.###.###.###.###.###.com (*** Banned )
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(I've censored my IP address by replacing it with #).
Is it possible the irc server detected your app as malicious activity? It is a bot, after all. But I don't know why it would only happen for me?
It's theoretically possible there is something else wrong with my network, but (1) I took a quick look at my router's traffic and did not notice anything amiss, and (2) I wasn't banned when I first started using your app, and I am now.
On yet another separate note, I tried checking the log window in your app (window → show log) before I checked the system Console, but it was empty. If you're going to have a log window in your app, IRC connection messages might be a good thing to put there!
Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X
#13Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X
#14I even used to release my own version with updates etc., cool stuff. Even this new project is cool.
Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X
#15Nice, it's a universal binary! Works great on my PPC machine.
Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X
#16Very cool. Is Tiger the minimum bound for the app itself, or just for the Intel Mac? I have 10.1 on a Wallstreet and can give it a shot if not. > thinking about how incredible something like this would have been 20 years ago There are a couple of iterations of this idea that are slightly older than Pandora. Key word “Easy-Xbins” or “AutoXbins”: https://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/how-to-use-auto-xbi... (2007) Th…
I recall seeing stuff in Xcode about building for down to 10.2, but I don't have anything set up to test on 10.2. I'd bet this build won't work on 10.1.
Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X
#17Thank you OP, it's great to see new apps for old OS X! One thing I noticed is that the main menu has some items I don't think apply to your app: https://i.ibb.co/7rXcMCH/Screen-Shot-2025-01-26-at-7-37-12-P... Page Setup? Print? Unless there's an aspect of your app I'm missing, I think you want to get rid of these. The other menus also have some stuff you may want to cut down on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, I don't…
Yep, I'd forgotten about those default menu items and need to remove them in a future version.
> Is it possible the irc server detected your app as malicious activity?
Yes, during my testing I got banned with a similar message from one of the servers. Uppercut randomly selects an EFnet server from a list, so trying again may have everything go smoothly. I'm not sure what exactly some servers are looking for to determine a ban or not.
Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X
#18A labor of love! Thanks for sharing it! I probably won't use it, though. On a practical note, when I release apps, I generally try to support as far back as possible (usually a couple of major releases). Supporting these can be challenging. I can only imagine what this was like.
> On a practical note, when I release apps, I generally try to support as far back as possible (usually a couple of major releases). Supporting these can be challenging. I can only imagine what this was like. This isn't to diminish OP's work, but I imagine it's quite a bit easier if you're only targeting an older platform. Basically, just write the software as if it's the year your target platform was released. It sh…
I used Claude heavily for this project. I doubt I would've put the time in to get this to an acceptable release state without being able to use Claude. I did buy a few old books and reference them for Xcode things, but most was done with Claude.
Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X
#19"The tool we all wished we had back in 2005 for homebrew development and exploration." but we did have one, it was called Auto-Xbins, it had an integrated console irc client and FileZilla. I even used to release my own version with updates etc., cool stuff. Even this new project is cool.