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Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X

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Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X

#12
Thank you OP, it's great to see new apps for old OS X!

One thing I noticed is that the main menu has some items I don't think apply to your app:

https://i.ibb.co/7rXcMCH/Screen-Shot-2025-01-26-at-7-37-12-P...

Page Setup? Print? Unless there's an aspect of your app I'm missing, I think you want to get rid of these.

The other menus also have some stuff you may want to cut down on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, I don't think you can actually open files in this app, right? So then `New` `Open`, `Open Recent` and so on probably shouldn't be there.

I'm using 10.9 instead of 10.4, still pretty old but a lot newer than Tiger, so if this is OS specific please ignore me. :)

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Edit:

Your app stopped loading new categories for me, so I tried disconnecting and reconnecting. When I tried to reconnect, it never completed. Then I saw this in Console.app:

```

1/26/25 7:44:36.466 PM Uppercut[80462]: IRC | Received message: NOTICE AUTH :*** Found your hostname :irc.swepipe.se NOTICE nZuLWvRtl :*** Banned Temporary K-line 4320 min. - Open proxy found. See http://rbl.efnetrbl.org/?i=###.###.###.### for more information. (2025/1/27 00.37) ERROR :Closing Link: syn-###.###.###.###.###.###.com (*** Banned )

```

(I've censored my IP address by replacing it with #).

Is it possible the irc server detected your app as malicious activity? It is a bot, after all. But I don't know why it would only happen for me?

It's theoretically possible there is something else wrong with my network, but (1) I took a quick look at my router's traffic and did not notice anything amiss, and (2) I wasn't banned when I first started using your app, and I am now.

On yet another separate note, I tried checking the log window in your app (window → show log) before I checked the system Console, but it was empty. If you're going to have a log window in your app, IRC connection messages might be a good thing to put there!

Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X

#14
"The tool we all wished we had back in 2005 for homebrew development and exploration." but we did have one, it was called Auto-Xbins, it had an integrated console irc client and FileZilla.

I even used to release my own version with updates etc., cool stuff. Even this new project is cool.

Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X

#16
post #8

Very cool. Is Tiger the minimum bound for the app itself, or just for the Intel Mac? I have 10.1 on a Wallstreet and can give it a shot if not. > thinking about how incredible something like this would have been 20 years ago There are a couple of iterations of this idea that are slightly older than Pandora. Key word “Easy-Xbins” or “AutoXbins”: https://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/how-to-use-auto-xbi... (2007) Th…

> Very cool. Is Tiger the minimum bound for the app itself, or just for the Intel Mac? I have 10.1 on a Wallstreet and can give it a shot if not.

I recall seeing stuff in Xcode about building for down to 10.2, but I don't have anything set up to test on 10.2. I'd bet this build won't work on 10.1.

Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X

#17

Thank you OP, it's great to see new apps for old OS X! One thing I noticed is that the main menu has some items I don't think apply to your app: https://i.ibb.co/7rXcMCH/Screen-Shot-2025-01-26-at-7-37-12-P... Page Setup? Print? Unless there's an aspect of your app I'm missing, I think you want to get rid of these. The other menus also have some stuff you may want to cut down on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, I don't…

> One thing I noticed is that the main menu has some items I don't think apply to your app:

Yep, I'd forgotten about those default menu items and need to remove them in a future version.

> Is it possible the irc server detected your app as malicious activity?

Yes, during my testing I got banned with a similar message from one of the servers. Uppercut randomly selects an EFnet server from a list, so trying again may have everything go smoothly. I'm not sure what exactly some servers are looking for to determine a ban or not.

Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X

#18

A labor of love! Thanks for sharing it! I probably won't use it, though. On a practical note, when I release apps, I generally try to support as far back as possible (usually a couple of major releases). Supporting these can be challenging. I can only imagine what this was like.

> On a practical note, when I release apps, I generally try to support as far back as possible (usually a couple of major releases). Supporting these can be challenging. I can only imagine what this was like. This isn't to diminish OP's work, but I imagine it's quite a bit easier if you're only targeting an older platform. Basically, just write the software as if it's the year your target platform was released. It sh…

> Basically, just write the software as if it's the year your target platform was released. It shouldn't be more difficult than writing any software was back then. Heck, it may even be easier because you have access to more modern tools, like AI.

I used Claude heavily for this project. I doubt I would've put the time in to get this to an acceptable release state without being able to use Claude. I did buy a few old books and reference them for Xcode things, but most was done with Claude.

Re: Show HN: A new native app for 20 year old OS X

#19
post #14

"The tool we all wished we had back in 2005 for homebrew development and exploration." but we did have one, it was called Auto-Xbins, it had an integrated console irc client and FileZilla. I even used to release my own version with updates etc., cool stuff. Even this new project is cool.

I never came across Auto-Xbins, but it's good to know it existed. Hopefully it got a lot of use over the years.
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