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Hacking Subaru: Tracking and controlling cars via the admin panel

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Re: Hacking Subaru: Tracking and controlling cars via the admin panel

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Post by Cumpiler69 »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #87
Cumpiler69 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Indians are some of the most racially nepotistic out there I’ve heard this claim made often here but never observed it in real life. I think you and others who repeat this claim are confusing nepotism with just using one’s network to accelerate hiring. If someone happens to have a social or professional network mostly of one race, that doesn’t mean they’re automatically nepotistic when they draw from that network.…

> Somehow this label rarely arises when white managers end up with mostly white teams. Why is that?

Easy: If you're in a country that's ~90% white, why would it be a surprise that 90% of the labor ends up being white? Are you seriously trying to play dumb and question obvious stuff like demographics under the nepotism/racism playing card? Similarly, why would it be surprising that a team in India is ~100% Indians?

But if in a country with a majority white demographic, Indian managers hire their wives, extended family members and Indian connection to work in their teams, therefore excluding a lot of the local, mostly white candidates, from the resume pile out of the get-go, you can't not raise eyebrows and assume potential discriminatory hiring practices, which are illegal in most western nations.

Re: Hacking Subaru: Tracking and controlling cars via the admin panel

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Post by iforgot22 »

oremolten wrote: post #144
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #79

A shocking thing about Subaru cars with Starlink (their infotainment system and connected service for things like remote start) is how deep the violation of privacy is. For example they share your location data with Sirius XM by default, unless you go deep in their menus to realize it’s even happening and opt out. They bury the consent in fine print that you fly through at the dealership. Truly a despicable company.

all car companies do this since around 2011.(in the us) they also immediately sell all this data to car insurance companies. many apps on your phone that use location data for anything are mostly using an APK that includes a couple car insurance companies code that also just directly shares that with them. (they made the location APK for app makers to have an easy to use location data tool)

Also cell carriers collect and give out live location data on customers

Re: Hacking Subaru: Tracking and controlling cars via the admin panel

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Post by iforgot22 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #139
dylan604 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remote start does not require an app nor an always on connection. I was able to do this with a key fob in the early 00s

I know how key fobs work, thank you. I mean the ability to control the car remotely without line of sight or being anywhere near it, such as turning on the climate to warm up the car while still in a building so it's not freezing cold when we get back to the car with the kids, or while the car is in the garage, locking the car remotely because you're blocks away and aren't 100% sure you locked it before you left, ope…

Maybe it's because I don't live in a cold climate, but I've never wanted to do this.

Re: Hacking Subaru: Tracking and controlling cars via the admin panel

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Post by iforgot22 »

afh1 wrote: post #160
bilekas wrote: post #19

> I didn’t realize this data was being collected, but it seemed that we had agreed to the STARLINK enrollment when we purchased it. This is mind blowing to me.. Number 1 why you need a car connected to the internet all the time ? And how you're not required to sign at least 10 forms to confirm you understand that ALL of your travel data will be recorded and distributed at will.

All cars in Europe must be connected to the internet at all times by law, to determine their location, in case of an accident the law states. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/security-and-em... In the US a bill was passed requiring driver impairment equipment on all vehicles and automatic deactivation of the vehicle if the driver is determined to be impaired. Current impairment technology monitors head an…

In general, a lot of things in cars are for the law rather than the owner. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just is what it is. Emissions is the biggest one.

Re: Hacking Subaru: Tracking and controlling cars via the admin panel

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Post by ben7799 »

reginald78 wrote: post #143
ben7799 wrote: post #107

I have a 2013 Outback Limited that is basically right before all this stuff got really stupid and weird. It's a great car other than it's not very fast and it gets really bad gas mileage. Amazing in the snow. I have had it since December 2012, so I've had plenty of service visits where I got newer loaners. (I special ordered my car to basically load it but not have Starlink, not have the Sunroof, but have the leather…

We actually own two Outbacks, a 2011 and a 2019. Both my wife and I hate the touchscreen system in the 2019, it is full of irritating bugs and even the physical climate controls (which IIRC were going away for the 2020 model year) have horrible indicators of their status compared to the older one. I'd say the backup camera is a welcome addition for the newer one but if the roads are even remotely dirty the camera alm…

The 2024/2025 Ascent is what I had as a loaner that had the skeumorphic UI on the screen that looked exactly like an older Subaru's physical climate control layout.

It was a major WTF when I first saw it.

Re: Hacking Subaru: Tracking and controlling cars via the admin panel

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Post by gruez »

nyokodo wrote: post #120
jcomis wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fwiw I have done this and received no confirmation or anything after more than 6 months. I keep submitting, maybe its working, but it doesnt seem to actually result in a confirmable change. for sure my retailer, which are 3rd parties according to that page, still has 100% access to the data, as they were able to tell my car was in another state when I called recently. seems pretty troubling

> I have done this and received no confirmation or anything after more than 6 months Sue them, make it a class action.

That's not how lawsuits work. You can't sue just because you don't like something. You have to prove harm. "not getting confirmation" hardly counts, especially if said confirmation isn't required by law.

Re: Hacking Subaru: Tracking and controlling cars via the admin panel

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Post by hulium »

afh1 wrote: post #160
bilekas wrote: post #19

> I didn’t realize this data was being collected, but it seemed that we had agreed to the STARLINK enrollment when we purchased it. This is mind blowing to me.. Number 1 why you need a car connected to the internet all the time ? And how you're not required to sign at least 10 forms to confirm you understand that ALL of your travel data will be recorded and distributed at will.

All cars in Europe must be connected to the internet at all times by law, to determine their location, in case of an accident the law states. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/security-and-em... In the US a bill was passed requiring driver impairment equipment on all vehicles and automatic deactivation of the vehicle if the driver is determined to be impaired. Current impairment technology monitors head an…

> All cars in Europe must be connected to the internet at all times by law, to determine their location

The source you link very explicitly contradicts that:

> Your eCall system is only activated if your vehicle is involved in a serious accident. The rest of the time the system remains inactive. This means that when you are simply driving your vehicle, no tracking (registering your car's position or monitoring your driving) or transmission of data takes place.

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