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Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Pretty nice to be able to download a modern game in a few minutes instead of a few hours.

Sure, and that’s worth spending how much per month? I mean if I was forced to sit and stare at a download screen then sure it’d be worth it to me. However even at 2+Gigabit I’m not going to sit and stare about the download screen so it’s kind of meaningless how long it takes. I’ve got plenty of other stuff to do for a while.

Download/upload speed seems like a fairly weak argument for more bandwidth past a certain, fairly low, point. These days, it seems like it's more around a large household doing simultaneous 4K streaming where they're running into limits.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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This seems to be A Thing; city centers get bad internet. In Dublin if you look at coverage maps, the whole central area is an island of VDSL and DOCSIS in a sea of FTTH. Not totally sure why.

It probably needs you to tear up the street and that's hard to get approved. (And while all Anglo countries are NIMBY, Ireland is the most NIMBY, which is why its population is lower now than in the 1800s.)

> which is why its population is lower now than in the 1800s

I'm not sure that that's correct; modern planning permission as a concept was only really introduced around 1970, at which point the population was 3 million. The population is now 5.2 million. Ireland's depopulation was down to, initially, the famine, followed by almost constant economic crisis from the 19th century to the 1990s. We tend to emigrate very enthusiastically (this is particularly visible in the 1980s, when population actually _dropped_ for much of the decade).

(I do think that clearly with more sensible planning the population would now be somewhat higher, but you're probably talking an extra couple of hundred thousand.)

Interestingly, though, expectations about population did contribute to our current housing and infrastructure crisis. Around 2010, a lot of long-range planning was done on the basis that the population would reach something like 4.8 million by 2040; of course, this turned out to be wildly incorrect.

The estimate seems to have been based on the theory that, after the financial crisis, Ireland would go back to our historical pattern of decades-long recessions and mass emigration, now that that has failed to happen, well, all that planning is dramatically wrong. Ireland now completes more housing units per capita per year than any other OECD country, and it's still not enough. There's a massive housing deficit, the railways are over capacity with no relief until at least 2026, electricity and water infrastructure are under tremendous pressure, and so on. All of this is essentially a consequence of assumptions made 15 years ago that we'd just go back to mass emigration, and thus it was reasonable to have a decade where ~nothing got built.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Ireland is the most NIMBY, which is why its population is lower now than in the 1800s Uh, are you sure that you haven't disregarded the Great Libertarian Sociological Experiment of 1847 in your reasoning?

“[The Famine] is a punishment from God for an idle, ungrateful, and rebellious country; an indolent and un-self-reliant people. The Irish are suffering from an affliction of God’s providence.” “The judgment of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson. That calamity must not be too much mitigated. The greater evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the famine, but the moral evil of the…

I mean, I suppose when you make a really _catastrophic_ fuckup at work, saying "God did it" is... an option?

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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I’ve got 10 gig with 5 millisecond ping to Ashburn (Comcast’s gigabit x10, so it’s a full 10 gig port to the head end, not PON) and web surfing still sucks because JavaScript.

Are you surfing the web on a toaster? I only run into network bottlenecks or pages that suck because it loads tons of ads, which isn’t a javascript issue really. Yeah its not Wasm fast, and JS has some terrible stuff from a language perspective, but I don’t blame a slow web on Javascript. Certainly not for everyday browsing

Anything that's not a < 3 year old MacBook Pro tends to chug.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Google is perfectly willing to shut down a profitable product

Any examples you'd care to point out? All the high-profile Google shutdowns I can think of either failed in the marketplace (Stadia, Plus) or were successful but not making money (Reader, Hangouts).

Their DNS service comes to mind- although I guess it was divested, not killed.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Google fiber is also full of shit when they say their prices havent changed because I was paying like 25 a month for 1g fiber in 2019 ain kansas city and now I pay 70 a month for the same service

AFAIK, GFiber has always been $70/month for 1gig. Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20131218122258/https://fiber.goo...

It was not in Kansas city and I believe it was because it was a pilot program in kc for a while since it was one of the earliest locations for gfiber.

I could go dig up my old bills

Edit : yeah just found my bill from october 2019 and I was charged 50 dollars. They quietly raised the price ghen claimed it was always 70 dollars. Obnoxious.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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I pay £25 for 500Mbs, which I find reasonable.

Which just barely takes God Of War Ragnarok under an hour, but DCS World is over 2 hours. And game keep growing…

Oh sorry. I meant a reasonable price.

All these folks talking about >$100 for slower speeds is insane in 2025.

I could get ~1Gbs for £35.

I don't know what I would do if I was forced to go back to BT, so I can relate.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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My parents have had Google Fiber since 2011 or 2012. It's been a joy. The uptime has been great and the price has pretty much remained the same for 1Gig. In Los Angeles I pay $90/mo for 100mbps Spectrum connection which drops once a week and has gone up from $40 to $90/mo in just under 2 years. Worst of all is Spectrum has complete monopoly and I have nowhere else to go.

Check again? https://frontier.com/shop/internet/fiber-internet

We used to have Spectrum, but switched to Frontier Fiber as soon as it was available, a couple years ago now. Apart from a few hiccups during the first few weeks of service, it's been very reliable.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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I'm gonna need a source on that one beyond LTT just going "the hotels on the strip collude with each other". Convention wireless is a pain in the ass as a whole, and I've seen it both from venue-hosted networks and privately-operated-on-site networks being deployed as an overlay.

Did you actually look at the video/transcript? They were specifically talking about the internet service in the rooms being bad, and how it used to be good in specific hotels.

That's not a source. That's just an objective statement with no evidence to back it up. It's LTT talking uninformed shit as he always does.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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They laid us all off. They had huge plans - millions of users! Then they intersected reality in KC where all people wanted was 5Mbit service and free TV... There were many, many people working to perfect the settop box for example. We got fq_codel running on the wifi, we never got anywhere on the shaper, the plan was to move 1+m units of that (horrible integrated chip the comcerto C2000 - it didn´t have coherent cach…

That's fascinating actually. You should consider doing a full blog writeup if that's something you're into.

Too bitter. I referenced a little of that "adventure" here, in 2021... gfiber was attempting to restart with refreshing their now obsolete hardware... https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/trouble_in_paradise/
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