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I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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post #138

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Man what a blast from the past. There was a moment in time where xml and xlst was considered the bright future of webapps

I remember writing a blog with xml + xslt and thought it was very cool. Retrospectively, writing code in XML, eewwww, but back then I liked writing XHTML by hand

+1 on XHTML by hand, I'd always have the XHTML 1.0 badge up to brag about it too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Valid_XHTML_1.0.svg

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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> Please advocate for more RSS support - especially with orgs you want to stay up-to-date with. Also advocate for support with browser manufacturers. It used to be good, then one of them dropped it and the others blindly followed. People clearly want the RSS button, why on earth not provide it?

I use RSS heavily and I don't want an RSS button - what would that even do? RSS is best when integrated with a stateful server-side reader. Whatever comes with the browser will not be as good as an extension from a company focused on that feature. For example I use https://www.inoreader.com/

I agree, it's like robots.txt, you don't have a link to it from the webpage, but it's always (well it's supposed to be...) there. However I can see how normal folk wouldn't look for a feed like I would on a site: right click -> view source, control-f `rss` or `feed` to get the RSS url.

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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post #211

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Yes, the `guid` field in RSS and the `id` field in Atom.

A lot of readers (intentionally?) get this wrong though and show entries as new/unread if there are changes to the content. Of course a lot of feeds also get this wrong and change the GUIDs for existing entries once in a while which results in strictly compliant readers showing you the entire feed history as new. Really annoying.

My system updates¹ the entry and marks the changes in the first case. What is right and what is wrong depends on what you want, I think.

The latter is annoying, I agree.

¹ It is an NNTP interface so the article is superseded; https://feedbase.org/about/ - if you don't want to see updates, you can configure your newsreader to skip supersedes.

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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I love RSS and I actively used it until modern browsers dropped support for it and then websites stopped using it. I always felt RSS being dropped wasn’t the choice of users but more a conspiracy between those browser developers (or rather their managers and company leaders) and marketing/sales departments of pretty much any company that advertises on the internet: Google being the main one. Why? You can’t bombard RS…

I'm unhappy about browsers dropping RSS support too but did you or anyone else actually use the browser integration for anthing more than discovering that an RSS feed exists?

Did you read all of my post? I explained one of my uses of RSS pretty thoroughly

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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So, should we be using RSS? Or Atom? It seems like Atom is better , but RSS as a name is more well known? I'm guessing adding a button on your website which says "Subscribe via RSS" but which actually points to an Atom feed would be confusing and bad?

Like you said, atom is slightly better, and based on RSS (hence why everyone just uses 'RSS'). It should be fine to say "Subscribe via RSS" and point to an atom feed instead, almost any tooling will be able to handle both. You can also say "Subscribe to atom feed" to be more explicit.

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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The problem with RSS today is that bad actors use it to scrape and rewrite content using AI. Not having it enabled makes life harder for them since many are too lazy/not savvy enough to use other means to steal content.

FUD! Name a single AI scraper that fetches RSS but not HTML.

WTF?

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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I have been doing that for plaintext emails. Whenever I receive an HTML-only email (that my email reader cannot open), I send a kind email to the company, asking if they could consider adding a plaintext version next to it. I clearly explain that they can keep the HTML version as a default, and that some people need plaintext for accessibility and security reasons. I often receive answers, that surprised me! People s…

Honest question: wouldn't it be simpler for text-only email readers to have plugins that runs HTML-only emails through a command that converts the HTML to text?

They often do.

The problem is when the email explicitly includes a plain text part which is an empty string (or a generic one-sentence placeholder), and a separate html part. In these cases, the email client is right in defaulting to the plain text version.

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