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Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by coalteddy »

whatever1 wrote: post #9
echelon wrote: post #7

China is taking every venture-funded AI startup and shitting on them. Almost all of them. Tencent's Hunyuan 3D - Tripo, etc. Tencent's Hunyuan Video - Sora, Runway, Pika, etc. ByteDance's Trae - Cursor, etc. DeepSeek R1 - GPT, etc. Unitree - Figure, Tesla, Boston Dynamics, etc. And a ton of this stuff is completely open source. All of the Tencent stuff is. This destroys the moat of so many companies that have spent h…

Slightly relevant but they are also in the game of commercial mathematical optimization solvers and this year they reached parity with the sota American ones (ibm cplex, gurobi, Fico Xpress). It is that bad that all the American companies withrew from the public benchmark library. You can only see there Chinese commercial solvers and open source ones. https://plato.asu.edu/bench.html

Any blogs or other writing about this topic you can recommend? I worked with gurobi in the past but haven't been keeping up with the trends and performance gains.

Love this field of CS!

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by markus_zhang »

swozey wrote: post #25
markus_zhang wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bytedance created all internal tools by themselves. Personally I'd definitely love to join such a company if I'm in that tooling team. Whether they are being used by outsiders is irrelevant because I already bagged the skills.

Eh, I make tooling for a living. It sucks to have nobody using your tools even if they were fun to make. You spend months/years putting something out there that you think will really benefit a company/team/foss and it goes nowhere. It's like painting a painting you love and it getting thrown in an attic.

I get what you said, but I'm not in a tooling team so I have a different perspective :)

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by wrsh07 »

softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

You can run it all locally: https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.vscode

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by pzo »

echelon wrote: post #7

China is taking every venture-funded AI startup and shitting on them. Almost all of them. Tencent's Hunyuan 3D - Tripo, etc. Tencent's Hunyuan Video - Sora, Runway, Pika, etc. ByteDance's Trae - Cursor, etc. DeepSeek R1 - GPT, etc. Unitree - Figure, Tesla, Boston Dynamics, etc. And a ton of this stuff is completely open source. All of the Tencent stuff is. This destroys the moat of so many companies that have spent h…

Yeah I have similar feeling:

1) They try similar like Zuck with LLama make sure GPT or Claude or Gemini is not the real winner in the West world like Android/iOS was for smartphone, Facebook/Whatsapp for social media/IM, Google Search for search, Windows for desktop OS. Majority people get used to to single product and they don't switch often.

2) Trying to kickstart community similar like LLama kickstarted big community around it that helped with tooling, testing, etc.

3) Slowing down development of ai companies in the west - giving them less data for training (after all midjourney, elevenlabs, llama kickstarted training on copyrighted content, it's pretty sure they using user data at least from e.g. free version of GPTo-mini) and bleeding their budget kind of war of attrition.

4) Familiarise the west audience with their ai models - after all still not many people using models like DeepkSeek since not many providers host them and majority of people don't have fast enough computer to run full models fast enough - Trae helps with that

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by eikenberry »

softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

You are not alone. The only future for these sorts of AI coding helpers is for them to use 100% free software AIs. On the bright side good progress is being made in that area and the main sticking point seems to be the expensive hardware to run them on (and integration). Costs on that hardware will hopefully drop over time so they won't still be mostly limited to 1st world (like the subscriptions).

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by wruza »

softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

Just get a graphics card and run a prompt-compatible llm yourself. Recent models like phi-4 show decent results (relative to your general amazement baseline) even on medium quantization. I’m running q4_k_m (8gb) with custom “just print and stfu” characters and rarely reach Claude anymore.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by CreepGin »

toprerules wrote: post #26

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because every time I try to use AI for any of my projects - including the "better" Anthropic and OpenAI models, I get terribly written, buggy code that has nothing to do with the domain or question. Unless I'm feeding it actual softball, single function questions it adds almost no value to my dev cycle. Mind you, all of this terrible code also costs a ton in tokens. It's sad becaus…

I'm pretty new in this, but a couple months back, I tried some direct AI code execution in Unity. It worked surprisingly well. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xCR4fiyugA

So I definitely think the value proposition of AI coding is higher when you have programmatical control over the workflow.

On a related note, the recent Cline Plan+Act function has also been a game changer.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by coliveira »

whatever1 wrote: post #9
echelon wrote: post #7

China is taking every venture-funded AI startup and shitting on them. Almost all of them. Tencent's Hunyuan 3D - Tripo, etc. Tencent's Hunyuan Video - Sora, Runway, Pika, etc. ByteDance's Trae - Cursor, etc. DeepSeek R1 - GPT, etc. Unitree - Figure, Tesla, Boston Dynamics, etc. And a ton of this stuff is completely open source. All of the Tencent stuff is. This destroys the moat of so many companies that have spent h…

Slightly relevant but they are also in the game of commercial mathematical optimization solvers and this year they reached parity with the sota American ones (ibm cplex, gurobi, Fico Xpress). It is that bad that all the American companies withrew from the public benchmark library. You can only see there Chinese commercial solvers and open source ones. https://plato.asu.edu/bench.html

Yes, I checked the recent solvers in the MIP space and it seems they're blowing out the existing American solvers. Huawei has invested a lot of money in this area.

But in my opinion this was completely expected, most research in this area is now done in China, American universities have in comparison stopped in time.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by cedws »

jofzar wrote: post #14

Who would ever allow this in their organisation after the tiktok shutdown, just go for one of the other 17 ai IDE forks

TikTok was shut down because of clueless bureaucrats and political games, not because of any specific threat. If there was a real risk posed by China why are they idly allowing millions of people to migrate to Xiaohongshu, which is even more strongly controlled by China?
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