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Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by Yeri »

lsllc wrote: post #21
echelon wrote: post #7

China is taking every venture-funded AI startup and shitting on them. Almost all of them. Tencent's Hunyuan 3D - Tripo, etc. Tencent's Hunyuan Video - Sora, Runway, Pika, etc. ByteDance's Trae - Cursor, etc. DeepSeek R1 - GPT, etc. Unitree - Figure, Tesla, Boston Dynamics, etc. And a ton of this stuff is completely open source. All of the Tencent stuff is. This destroys the moat of so many companies that have spent h…

Interesting theory -- maybe trying to diluting/confusing the technology market with alternatives that phone home [to the LLM] with your content. I just had to talk someone I know out of using RedNote as the TikTok shutdown loomed last week -- they had ZERO IDEA about its provenance. Unless you're paying attention, it's actually not clear what's what.

While I definitely wouldn't trust this tech, we've also normalised phoning home with all western tech.

How many products keep sending all kind of unknown telemetry, have a ton of trackers, etc?

Can't really blame them doing the same.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by jkingsman »

toprerules wrote: post #26

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because every time I try to use AI for any of my projects - including the "better" Anthropic and OpenAI models, I get terribly written, buggy code that has nothing to do with the domain or question. Unless I'm feeding it actual softball, single function questions it adds almost no value to my dev cycle. Mind you, all of this terrible code also costs a ton in tokens. It's sad becaus…

I think it's part art of prompting, and part problem scope -- they're not gonna get you a super polished final product without a LOT of support (yet), but they excel at rapid I-don't-care-what-the-code-looks-like-just-get-me-an-interactive-prototype work, and at solving specific problems (e.g. the function should do THIS, write it and write me a test suite). However, there are some agentic IDEs like Windsurf that are working to have LLMs orchestrate their own work. Well supported with a rock solid test suite, I've seen some people do pretty incredible things with them. The more a codebase provides tools for LLMs to live of the land in terms of tests and comments, the more aggressive you can be with what you ask them to do.

I've built a couple pretty simple apps that have been basically no code beyond tweaks for me.

I do think a big knowledge gap is the acceleration of prompting by knowing how to talk about code. LLMs show a lot of difference in response between "make the top bit stay on the screen on small screens" and "make the element sticky for viewports <600px".

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by verdverm »

timdorr wrote: post #15
verdverm wrote: post #10

Trae and Cursor have both certainly embraced the Kelsey Hightower take on "no code" platforms https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode https://github.com/getcursor/cursor https://github.com/Trae-AI/Trae

Even better is nothing at all: https://github.com/timdorr/- Not even a commit: https://github.com/timdorr/-/commit/9e5a571abd3fc4f8714e8c40...

Is that not a commit hash in the link?

This is what a commit-less repo looks like on GH: https://github.com/verdverm/_

Unfortunately they don't show the description "starting repository for any language and project" (a play on the _ (any) token in CUE)

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by dartos »

softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

Don’t worry.

There’s literally nothing an llm can write or tell you that you can’t write yourself or find in a manual somewhere.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by thomasfromcdnjs »

softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

I've been coding for around 25 years, I have 3 or so subscriptions to different AI products that I use for coding.

It is kind of terrifying that I probably would stop coding for the day if those subscriptions end. (I get far too much convenience out of them)

I have tried to rationalize it by the fact that I do pay for internet, and version control, and my peripherals etc

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by virgildotcodes »

toprerules wrote: post #26

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because every time I try to use AI for any of my projects - including the "better" Anthropic and OpenAI models, I get terribly written, buggy code that has nothing to do with the domain or question. Unless I'm feeding it actual softball, single function questions it adds almost no value to my dev cycle. Mind you, all of this terrible code also costs a ton in tokens. It's sad becaus…

It’s a tool with limited functionality. I think over time you vaguely learn the shape of its limits and work with what it can do, and it becomes genuinely useful.

Doing basic stuff with a very limited scope that’s likely well documented all over the internet, great.

Boilerplate, tedious yet simple things, works awesome as enhanced autocomplete.

More complex stuff, give it a shot, maybe you’ll get lucky, otherwise if it starts fucking up I’ve had the most success just taking a step back and doing it myself, maybe chatting with it as a live docs substitute, or a realtime stack overflow/discord programming channel which are also sometimes of dubious quality but frequently useful.

The misery really lies in getting stuck in that cycle of it just messing up over and over as you try to get it to make this thing work that is clearly beyond its scope and it’s just turning everything into a greater and greater mess of hallucinated bullshit.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by muixoozie »

thomasfromcdnjs wrote: post #35
softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

I've been coding for around 25 years, I have 3 or so subscriptions to different AI products that I use for coding. It is kind of terrifying that I probably would stop coding for the day if those subscriptions end. (I get far too much convenience out of them) I have tried to rationalize it by the fact that I do pay for internet, and version control, and my peripherals etc

You should check out openrouter if you haven't already.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by wilg »

softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

This is a free tool (though I wouldn't use it since its from Bytedance). Also you could have an AI powered IDE locally without a subscription.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by handfuloflight »

mring33621 wrote: post #8

What LLM provider(s) is it talking to?

According to the Discord, Claude 3.5 Sonnet and OpenAI GPT-4o. Also according to the Discord, "SPRING (SG) PTE. LTD. or one of its affiliates" is fully subsidizing the costs. This doesn't look like a bring your own keys type of deal.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by impulser_ »

Bro the West is getting cooked by China right now. We might be fucked.

Everything that has been coming out of China is better than anything our mega trillion dollar corporation are producing and they are doing with with sanctions on the best GPUs.

I don't work in big tech, why are they so bad with sigifically more money and more advanced technology?

Google had a decade and a half head start and they can't even produce a model that is as good and as cheap as Deepseek building with no compute compared to Google.

I have been using Trae and VS Code with Copilot is laughable compare too it despite using the same models. So we can't even prompt LLMs as good as they do and they don't even speak English as a first language LMFAO.

We might be fucked and this is just the beginning.

Maybe time to learn code should be time to learn Chinese.

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