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Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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Don't update to a new OS then if that's your concern?

Maybe I should stop using email while I'm at it.

That would be a separate solution. If you did that, you could feel free to upgrade your OS, since you wouldn't need Sparrow, in which case, what are we talking about?

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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Sorry, but Gmail isn't a crappy app in my way of thinking. It was the best webmail in 2004, and it still is. You may not like it, but that doesn't extrapolate to crappiness. Although I'm sorry that Sparrow is being end-of-lifed, Gmail is a best of breed web app. well, obviously Google isn't going to be developing a native desktop app for Gmail. Sounds like a feature to me, not a bug. Desktop software is going out. Wh…

Desktop software is not going out. See Dropbox. It syncs desktop AND cloud. Does not require constant connectivity. Sparrow enables offline usage of cloud services like gmail, which is huge, as connectivity to the cloud is not a constant.

But as you pointed out, it's desktop and cloud. It's not strictly desktop software. The special sauce is in the cloud, that's what makes Dropbox unique.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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I wonder what would have happened if the Sparrow team would come out and say "guys we're going to close we don't have enough money". Would all the guys who are yelling "I feel betrayed" support Sparrow with a $10/month recurring plan?

I doubt it.

I personally think that Sparrow had a chance to sell their business and capitalize on all of the hard work they done so far, let's not forget that this is their business and not a hobby. They need a end game.

I won't try to go into details as this is probably all speculation, but monetizing a client in a saturated market with bigger competitors isn't easy. I can understand that many of you 'invested' $5-$10 in sparrow and think you're entitled to free support and lifetime slavery but let's chill a bit.

So you've lost $10, big deal. I'm sure you guys have invested more money into more lousy software and haven't say a god damn thing.

Sparrow team, good luck, great work, happy to hear that another indie developer made it. Hope to hear more success stories in the future.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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I could very easily see "Gmail Offline" becoming a standalone program rather than a Chrome app. I don't get why that's so insane to people either.

Name a well-maintained desktop-based app from Google. Google Talk, Google Desktop (incl. Google Gadgets)...

Well they just launched Google Drive. I think that's comparable. But you're not wrong at all.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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"... an early adopter" Hardly. Sparrow has been out for a few years.

The initial release was February 2011. How is that "a few years"?

Version 1.0 came out in February of 2011. However, there were 7 Public Betas before that. The first one came out on October 4, 2010 [1]. By the time version 1.0 was released, Sparrow already had hundreds of thousands of users [2].

(Granted, October of 2010 still isn't ‘a few years’ a go.)

[1] http://blog.sparrowmailapp.com/post/1262858384/40-000-sparro...

[2] http://blog.sparrowmailapp.com/post/2497742134/150000dwnlds

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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Any high six figures (say, over .5 million) figure is actually FU money, as long as you can invest reasonably safely and well and have modest living standards. I'm amazed at how often I read here that even a million is pocket change that changes nothing on the receivers life.

Are you familiar with how expensive it is to live here? You cannot buy a decent house in a fair school district for less than $500k. Probably more like $750k. For two bedrooms.

Then move. Living somewhere that costs that much is a luxury good.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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And now you've gotten lesson #1 on why F/OSS solutions have one huge advantage over their proprietary counterparts: If the original developers of a F/OSS app decide to drop it, you have choices. In the best case, another group of devs may simply fork the project and keep it going, or you ('you' in the general sense here) may choose to bring development in-house, or contract with a 3rd party to maintain and upgrade th…

Yet more wild-eyed, open source zealotry. No GUI-based F/OSS product has ever achieved the level of polish and usability of things like Sparrow because the people working on open source projects only want to do coding, they don't care about design, bug detection, documentation or, God forbid, user interfaces. If the developers of Sparrow had not been paid for their work, which they ensured by keeping it under their c…

Yet more wild-eyed, open source zealotry.

No it isn't. I didn't say that F/OSS is universally better than closed source, or anything crazy. I said that F/OSS has one specific advantage over closed-source, proprietary software, and that relates to the ability for a different group to continue development of a project that would otherwise be abandonware. Are you going to argue that this isn't the case?

No GUI-based F/OSS product has ever achieved the level of polish and usability of things like Sparrow because the people working on open source projects only want to do coding, they don't care about design, bug detection, documentation or, God forbid, user interfaces.

That's debatable, but it also has nothing to do with what I said. Yes, F/OSS has a reputation for being weaker on the UI/UX/design front, no one is contesting that, so far as I can see.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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Are you familiar with how expensive it is to live here? You cannot buy a decent house in a fair school district for less than $500k. Probably more like $750k. For two bedrooms.

Then move. Living somewhere that costs that much is a luxury good.

The Bay Area is the center of the universe of software development. Not that you can't work as a software engineer elsewhere (I have) but you have a limitless amount of interesting work here.

And while costs are higher, salaries are much higher as well.

It's absurd to act like a $500k payout puts you on easy street.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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It's never a good idea to buy a software product (or hardware product) for what it's "going to be." You have to buy or not buy it based on what it is today, because they may or may not go down the path you expect in the future. What happened with Sparrow was unfortunate, but at the same time it was unlikely that an email client like this was ever going to turn into a great standalone business that would adequately co…

What about buying it for what it "should be"? Sparrow for Mac has some annoying bugs that now will never get fixed.

I agree that sucks, but there's lots of apps out there with bugs that should be fixed and won't ever be, even though their makers weren't bought by anyone. If someone sells you software with bugs that make it unusable, you should get your money back.
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