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Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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post #77

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> Transitioning to eSim-only could enslave us even further, as if Windows 11 secure boot shenanigans were not enough How are eSIMs "enslaving" people? Or for that matter, Windows 11 secure boot ? There's plenty to complain about in Windows 11 from a privacy perspective, but secure boot is your problem?

Even media created with MS's own USB imager didn't work with my DIY build. May be related to Asus' UEFI but there's no proper diagnostic facility to know. I said screw it, and used Rufus to bypass any MS nonsense at the same time. And how? The same way SIM locks did. EU made them illegal not without reason.

> And how? The same way SIM locks did. EU made them illegal not without reason.

SIM locks were for operators to lock phones they sell you only to their network. You can install any eSIM, including from random MVNOs all around the world.

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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Does anyone have any resources which explain why eSIMs tunnel your network traffic to the provider? My mental model for old fashioned physical SIMs is that they would roam on the network you're visiting. ie, a Chinese physical SIM on a US network would show up from the US network, and would otherwise be normal except that the phone and network traffic would be very expensive. My understanding of eSIMs is that they ac…

It's not really anything to do with eSIM. If you used a physical SIM from the same carrier with the same settings, you'd have the same experience. When connecting via a cellular data network, all data will be routed via your carrier's Access Point Name ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_Point_Name ). Most carriers only have servers in their home region capable of handling the traffic. It is possible to have regio…

Thanks for this explanation -- I guess I really had things wrong.

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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post #91
post #22

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Another factor for international travel is whether you phone has the right bands to get signal. My carrier claims to have international roaming, but I look up what bands my model phone has and what the country I'm going to uses and I pretty much would not get signal anyway.

Are you sure? There's a pretty good overlap these days in globally supported bands on at least a baseline level. You might not be able to use a provider's extended/rural or dense urban canyon filler cells, but I haven't yet been to a place where I didn't get any roaming connectivity at all. In some countries (the US included), providers restrict the ability of devices not capable of e.g. VoIP to connect on certain ba…

> Are you sure? There's a pretty good overlap these days in globally supported bands on at least a baseline level.

Most Chinese imported phones have really poor band support in the US. Lucky to get band 2 and band 5 at best.

> In some countries (the US included), providers restrict the ability of devices not capable of e.g. VoIP to connect on certain bands (as there is no circuit switched fallback available there, and there's an FCC mandate that calls, in particular 911 calls, have to work wherever data works), but that's usually not applied to inbound roaming guests.

US all circuit switched data is basically gone except for a few rural carriers and maybe a few pockets of 2G left on T-Mobile (was shut down on my local towers in past few weeks). Unsure of the 911 IMS carrier profile support on models not intended for US market.

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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post #72

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There's also a technical hurdle of the telco can't know where you're coming from over the Internet. The terminate your end of the vowifi call and from there they only charge for the connection as though it originated in their network, which is all they know for sure (that is their SIM and your account that's authenticated from somewhere in the world)

Well, I know at least one provider that looks at your IP's country registration and will block you if they believe it's not domestic: Vodafone Germany. I wouldn't wish their service upon my worst enemies.

Sounds terrible. So yeah, I guess they can make an educated guess, and initiate a demoralizing cat and mouse game with their customers.

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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post #83

I wonder if there's a reversed solution: using physical SIM card on devices that have only eSIMs. The use case: recent fewer versions of iPhone support only eSIMs, yet we will need a physical sim when traveling in China (yes yes, one could use roaming. It's just that with a China phone number, one can do more).

Why do you need a physical sim in China? Are there just no esim providers? Or is it something deeper?

It’s to connect phone numbers to identities. Getting a physical sim in China involves going in person to a store where they keep your passport and a mugshot (you hold a paper with your number on it) in a database.

There’s no free WiFi without requiring a phone number. It allows the government to connect internet users to real identities.

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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post #6

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You may find yourself in that situation if you have a device that only supports SIMs, and you can't use any of the cheap travel esim providers with it. For travel, you would replace your local SIM with the 9eSIM, and be able to switch providers depending on destination. The difference can be huge in some countries, where a local provider's travel plan can be 30 to 50 USD, while a equivalent on an ESIM provider is jus…

I expected to use an eSIM when I went abroad for a month last year. It turned out the providers offering "travel eSIM" are 2 to 4 times more expensive compared to buying a prepaid physical sim at the counter valid for 30 days.

Quick note that "the counter" may not exist or be hard/time consuming to track down and then there may be language barriers and also identity proof requirements that you can't meet. So service that's available and working as soon as your boots hit the ground do have some value.

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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post #106

Haha what a coincidence, I bought a 9eSIM adapter a few weeks ago! There is a new eSIM-only card in Germany where you get 3 GB of data plus unlimited SMS and calls per month for free. To order it I had to use Frida and the Android emulator to fool the app into thinking the device had an eSIM. After that you have to do some JavaScript shenanigans on the website to get the QR code. But after that, everything works flaw…

3GB of Data + Unlimited SMS and Calls for free sounds very nice? Can you share the name of the provider so that we can add it to our eSIM comparison for Germany https://www.monito.com/en/esim-plans-compared

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Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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If you use the JMP eSIM Adapter you can use a fully open source app, or even your own build of the app or whatever you like.

Thank you! I came to the comments to find the most open version of this. Unfortunately, the JMP eSIM's order form is broken so I cannot purchase their device (it never asks for city/state and then the order form errors out with "City or state/province not specified")

It seems that bringing up the city/state box after you enter zip code is being slow right now. if you wait a bit do they show up for you after entering zip code?

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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post #46

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I have a 5ber.esim that appears to be exactly that.

Thanks! I'll have a look at that. Edit: Looks great but it's US only. But I think the one in the article spoke about a similar solution.

I am in Europe myself
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