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Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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I wish I knew if this would have helped me on a recent trip out of the U.S. In preparation, I upgraded my older, low-end smartphone to one with a more recent version of Android, NFC (for tap-to-pay), a headphone jack, and support for two physical SIMs. So when I arrived at my destination, I was able to purchase a 30-day SIM for a local phone number and data, but my primary SIM was useless outside of the U.S. so no ac…

Another factor for international travel is whether you phone has the right bands to get signal. My carrier claims to have international roaming, but I look up what bands my model phone has and what the country I'm going to uses and I pretty much would not get signal anyway.

Are you sure? There's a pretty good overlap these days in globally supported bands on at least a baseline level.

You might not be able to use a provider's extended/rural or dense urban canyon filler cells, but I haven't yet been to a place where I didn't get any roaming connectivity at all.

In some countries (the US included), providers restrict the ability of devices not capable of e.g. VoIP to connect on certain bands (as there is no circuit switched fallback available there, and there's an FCC mandate that calls, in particular 911 calls, have to work wherever data works), but that's usually not applied to inbound roaming guests.

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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Hoping for the opposite option. Using physical sims for devices that only support esim?

Curious on what you think the advantage there is ? If you lose your phone , you don't lose your number if it's an eSIM

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may find yourself in that situation if you have a device that only supports SIMs, and you can't use any of the cheap travel esim providers with it. For travel, you would replace your local SIM with the 9eSIM, and be able to switch providers depending on destination. The difference can be huge in some countries, where a local provider's travel plan can be 30 to 50 USD, while a equivalent on an ESIM provider is jus…

In which countries are eSIMs cheaper? I have never encountered this in Africa or in Asia. I was just in Vietnam, a local SIM was probably 50% cheaper than anything I could find on esimdb. Currently I'm in Georgia, unlimited internet for a week is 9 GEL, or around 3ish USD per week. The cheapest on esdimdb is 19 USD for unlimited internet for a week. What we usually do when we travel is buy the cheapest eSIM, usually…

> I don't quite understand how it works, but it seems if you use an eSIM in China you get around the great firewall without needing a VPN.

That's just the default for most mobile data services, eSIM or physical SIM. Your home network provides Internet connectivity. "Local breakout" (where you get an IP of the visited network) has never really taken off for various reasons, one being that people actually like being able to access everything they also can at home.

I also strongly suspect that this is why iPhones in China don't have any eSIM capability.

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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In case the original author reads this:

Depending on what 4G/LTE modem/chip your laptop it is using (it must be based on a Qualcomm SoC which 99% are), there are and I can share documents on how you can do the provisioning directly on the Laptop the SIM card is in.

The feature is present in the stock Qualcomm firmware bundle, but vendors like Quectel, Sierra etc may decide if they include the feature or not.

I know this because it is on our dev team To-Do List to implement that for a Linux daemon :)

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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Transitioning to eSim-only could enslave us even further, as if Windows 11 secure boot shenanigans were not enough. Please raise this with your favorite digital freedom advocate. Let's be proactive on this one.

Yeah, I really hate not having to physically juggle small smartcards whenever I want to use another network/provider (my phone has several eSIM profiles installed right now), being able to choose from dozens of providers competing on price and functionality, and not having to stand in line at the SIM store first thing after a long-haul flight too.

eSIMs could have been an anti-consumer nightmare, but fortunately they were really done exactly right. I really sometimes find it hard to believe how lucky we got on that one; they could have easily been a carrier lock-in mechanism like ESN/MEID based provisioning was.

> Let's be proactive on this one.

Even if you had a point, you're years too late. iPhones are sold without a SIM slot in some countries already (and I love it).

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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Haha what a coincidence, I bought a 9eSIM adapter a few weeks ago! There is a new eSIM-only card in Germany where you get 3 GB of data plus unlimited SMS and calls per month for free. To order it I had to use Frida and the Android emulator to fool the app into thinking the device had an eSIM. After that you have to do some JavaScript shenanigans on the website to get the QR code. But after that, everything works flaw…

How much registration is required? I can see this being useful for some things :)

It requires that you give them your bank account details.

The stated reason is because you can call premium services and run up a charges even with a free service.

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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It apparently can be done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twFC0A_m0KI Supposedly the people doing this at scale (for grey imports?) even de-solder the eSIM module and resell it, but I have my doubts about that part of the story.

Sure you can do it if there’s a module to desolder, but many phones will just use TrustZone/Secure Enclave and you’re not desoldering that…

Are there any TrustZone based eSIM implementations yet? I've heard about plans for a couple of times but haven't been following that closely.

I'm not sure if iPhones still have a physical module; it would make a lot of sense for Apple to combine the eSIM implementation with the payments secure element (I think they hold some patents to that extent), but I'm not sure if they already do that.

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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Does anyone have any resources which explain why eSIMs tunnel your network traffic to the provider? My mental model for old fashioned physical SIMs is that they would roam on the network you're visiting. ie, a Chinese physical SIM on a US network would show up from the US network, and would otherwise be normal except that the phone and network traffic would be very expensive. My understanding of eSIMs is that they ac…

I think this is a peculiarity of the short-term travel eSIM providers (like Airalo). If I recall correctly, when I went to Bermuda, the Airalo eSIM would route the traffic through Isle of Man. They have some of the most odd agreements with random telecoms to get coverage and cheap rates.

Partly I think it's skirting around local regulations (e.g. if a country required SIMs to be registered with the owner's information, but you provision the SIM from a nearby country's telco and route traffic through there maybe you can get around it).

But as far as I understand this has nothing to do with eSIMs and a lot to do with Airalo trying to cover every corner of the world for cheap.

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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Hmm that's kinda nice. I don't like eSIMs because the provider often imposes arbitrary constraints. Either needing their data-stealing app, only allowing so many changes per month, only allowing 'certified' handsets, having 2FA bullshit etc. I just want to swap my number into different phones like I can with a physical card, without anyone else's involvement or approval. If I could just grab an esim and download it o…

What country is this, if you mind sharing? I've never encountered any of these problems. I've received almost all my eSIMs as a QR code, and the ones that did offer app-based installation (which is convenient if it works, but ultimately not more than that) have a QR code for fallback. > only allowing so many changes per month That I have actually encountered. I've seen one (fortunately only when traveling) that actua…

This was in Holland, one of the MVNOs. They had a crappy app and it would generate a different QR code every time (so they were not reusable).

And a lot of operators have restrictions on phones. Imported phones are often blocked (and also not given access to VoLTE).

For me it is a big deal if it charges "sim fees". I do swap my sims very regularly. For testing, or to put one in my tablet when I travel. I just want to be fully free to do as I please.

But luckily I only use prepay these days and none of the carriers here in Europe that do prepay offer eSIM anyway.

Re: Using eSIMs with devices that only have a physical SIM slot via a 9eSIM SIM car

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Hmm that's kinda nice. I don't like eSIMs because the provider often imposes arbitrary constraints. Either needing their data-stealing app, only allowing so many changes per month, only allowing 'certified' handsets, having 2FA bullshit etc. I just want to swap my number into different phones like I can with a physical card, without anyone else's involvement or approval. If I could just grab an esim and download it o…

I have a 5ber.esim that appears to be exactly that.

Thanks! I'll have a look at that.

Edit: Looks great but it's US only. But I think the one in the article spoke about a similar solution.

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