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Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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My personal theory is where Nokia failed was worrying too much about Osborne effect[1] of their Linux-based phones on their Symbian business, or there being some behind-the-scenes contract clauses that tied them to Symbian too much.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

Background/disclaimer: My business partner made a prototype touchscreen keyboard for Nokia, running on unreleased Linux hardware. Nokia had a significant Linux codebase very early on.

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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I read that as a failure of Palm's management, notably the ones that were negotiating with phone carriers. Jobs isn't the only guy who could have negotiated that kind of deal. Apple was a second run computer company that had almost no previous phone experience. They were not exactly negotiating from a position of strength, and the fact that only one carrier took them up on the offer shows just how tough it was. It so…

Apple in 2006 wasn’t a computer company, they were the iPod company. It was huge as a consumer product. And that was the only thing that could convince a carrier to take a bet with Apple: they wanted exclusivity on the “next iPod”.

But Cingular/AT&T clearly didn’t sign a lifetime exclusivity contract with Apple?

It didn’t even last 4 years.

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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> When Flash did finally come to mobile on Android, it required a 1Ghz processor and 1GB RAM. It worked on Maemo years before that though, with 600MHz Cortex-A8 CPU and 256 MB RAM. Nokia N900 had out-of-box support for Flash in its Gecko-based browser. I believe Symbian had some support before that too, but I don't remember and haven't checked the details.

That was “Flash light” not full Flash.

The Symbian one, yep. Maemo had the full Flash though.

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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post #457

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Apple in 2006 wasn’t a computer company, they were the iPod company. It was huge as a consumer product. And that was the only thing that could convince a carrier to take a bet with Apple: they wanted exclusivity on the “next iPod”.

But Cingular/AT&T clearly didn’t sign a lifetime exclusivity contract with Apple? It didn’t even last 4 years.

What company would sign a lifetime exclusivity contract?

Four years is an eternity in the mobile phone business.

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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Can you expand on what you mean? What heavy computational lifting?

I wish I could find the original article, it was a link from a link from the bibliography of Chip War. I think it was things like how you couldn't initially purchase music, and had to sync to iTunes to do that. I think there was more. I did find this article, on iPhone being basically just a battery: https://mathiasmikkelsen.com/2011/05/blackberry-makers-thoug...

Thanks! Very interesting.

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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post #524

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But Cingular/AT&T clearly didn’t sign a lifetime exclusivity contract with Apple? It didn’t even last 4 years.

What company would sign a lifetime exclusivity contract? Four years is an eternity in the mobile phone business.

A company desperate to convince a telecom to allow iphone app store sales…?

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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I was there as this played out. Nokia had a lot of good software and software engineers but not the management structure to do anything good with that. Nokia was huge as an organization and parts of that organization recognized the threat early on. The problem was at the board and executive level. These people had a blind spot for software. They thought they were still in the electronics business. Lots of people with…

The Linux based Nokia N900 was the best phone I ever owned. With a bit of polish, finish and maturity it could have also been the best phone for the masses. RIP.

I second that ! compact, unbreakable screen, real sliding keyboard with backlight, beautiful interface, true debian, a total shame, I regret it everyday. It was almost perfect. Tons of apps, even Waze! Android & iphone are pure shit. Rip n900...

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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The presentation is evidence itself that Nokia was bureaucratic and unlikely to stay competitive. The PPT was supposedly about the iPhone but the (well put together) slides for that don't start until page 14. Credit was given to Timo Partanen, along with contributions from Scott Cooper, Gordon Murray-Smith and Sanna Puha. Pages 3 through 11 were market analysis. Boring and irrelevant. The only message that should hav…

BTW, an actual skunk-works project that delivered is the only way that current nokia hasn't collapsed yet again.

Which project?
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