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Is the world becoming uninsurable?

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Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?

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The government banned insurance companies from raising prices. They used tax payer money to subsidize this for a while which increase home prices. Eventually insurance companies stopped offering insurance. When state actors even dabble in socialism disasters happen people die.

> The government banned insurance companies from raising prices. They used tax payer money to subsidize this for a while which increase home prices. Eventually insurance companies stopped offering insurance. Obviously. Such a move by the government is just plain stupid. > When state actors even dabble in socialism disasters happen people die. No need to overgeneralize. Not every stupid move is immediately "socialism"…

> it's pretty clear that a purely market-based health system costs lives.

That was literally the take about insurance. And here we are, again.

Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?

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Seems like having the ocean at your door would be bad for the structure? Or burning down in a hot dry period…

Why would a city like London or Paris burn down in a hot dry period?

You're refuting a lot of established facts about the risks of climate change, in a way that seems indicative of a certain ideology. Can you explain more what your position is?

Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?

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Note that brick is much worse than wood for wind-stoked wildfires; think ‘explosive fiery-hot shrapnel’ rather than just catching on fire like wood. (This is not a contradiction of your point, just a useful related factoid for the modern era.)

Think about what you’ve just written… you’re saying that a stone building is less safe than a wood building in a fire. Have we seen any stone cities burn down lately? Because I haven’t seen London burn down since they replaced all the wooden houses with brick in 1666.

WW2 saw urban firestorms in European cities built of brick. The insides are still flammable.

Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?

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American, living in area prone to natural disasters: "Is the WHOLE WORLD becoming uninsurable?" The answer is obviously "no" since there are other parts of the world that don't live on a hurricane highway nor build houses made from firewood in an area prone to wildfires.

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Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?

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+4°C is to the upper end of projections if it did (which is not probable) happen it'd take until the end of the century if we were to get there the entire world will be a different place; everything will have advanced so we won't be insuring our present world with our current knowledge and current tech but a future world with future knowledge and future tech

Not everything advances. We still have houses built in the 1800s/1900s that are usable in predictable/similar climates/circumstances. A changing climate changes that. Sure, we could bulldoze everything and build new stuff that can handle a +2C, +3C, +4C, etc... world, but that's expensive.

There are 2b+ people living in "inadequate housing", don't have sewers, don't have running water right now, we can't even fix the problem now, we're not going to fix it better when 2b more need AC to survive every summer

https://unhabitat.org/news/13-jul-2023/the-world-is-failing-...

Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?

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I've been trying to talk to people locally, a place with lots of homes built in the woodland-urban interface, about the risks of climate change and how insurance will have to change. Unfortunately these discussions almost never go well, because it seems that most people have at best a surface level understanding of what insurance is and how it works, and everyone is convinced that it's a full scam and insurance compa…

At some level, insurance is about spreading out financial risk. Insurance companies would love for every policy to be profitable, but if we let it go that far, it's merely a savings account with negative interest rates. At another level, insurance is about analyzing risk and making it more expensive to take bigger risks. Where do we want the tradeoff between these things? Whatever we choose, we have to have some abil…

Soon, people will realize that the entire economic system that caused climate change in the first place will not save us. Once we stop sacrificing our lives in the name of Almighty Profit, then maybe we can move forward and come up with solutions that aren't just "lol stop living in LA".

Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?

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Insurance should not be for profit, and things like e.g. State Farm suddenly cancelling people's renters/fire insurance just two weeks before the fires (I am one of those people) are what people hate about insurance. No one is arguing that insurance is bad at risk assessment, but rather how they wield their proficiency with it.

Why does State Farm in particular have a moral obligation to insure you against fire if it’s not profitable for them to do so? To pick random examples of unrelated companies, McDonalds or SpaceX would also refuse to insure you against fire. Why should people hate State Farm for this reason, but not McDonalds or SpaceX? If State Farm didn’t exist and the state ran insurance instead, and were willing to insure all come…

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Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?

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As long as so many things are not accounted for properly (negative externalities), what good is it to talk about the world being insurable or not? It's like putting a bunch of monkeys in the cockpit of a rocket and then asking if you can insure it.

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Like we see in California, when the government sets a price ceiling, insurance companies just leave. Same in Florida. If the free market truly was allowed run normally, the insurance rates in Pacific Palisades or on the Florida coast would be so high that no one could afford to live there. Is that a bad thing? If someone was living in a house near where they tested missiles, we'd call them crazy. At what point can we…

Don't worry, the California government is responding to that by making it illegal to stop offering insurance in the state. That will definitely fix the problem.

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Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?

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American, living in area prone to natural disasters: "Is the WHOLE WORLD becoming uninsurable?" The answer is obviously "no" since there are other parts of the world that don't live on a hurricane highway nor build houses made from firewood in an area prone to wildfires.

To be fair we are talking about an area of the country that is prone to seismic activity, it does limit the building materials. Perhaps what should be more commonly accepted is that the US is a land of great natural beauty! And large tracts of it should be left to nature. What's the average monthly leccy bill in Phoenix during the summer? $400? Where does LA get most of its water? Local sources? I don't think that's…

> To be fair we are talking about an area of the country that is prone to seismic activity, it does limit the building materials.

Japan comes to mind as a country that's solved this.

> Where does LA get most of its water? Local sources? I don't think that's the case.

Relevant: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flame...

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