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Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by vinkelhake »

m_fayer wrote: post #531
adamc wrote: post #481

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That last sentence is worth an essay of its own. Everyone else keeps pumping resources into being photo-realistic blah-blah-blah without nearly enough attention to "is this fun"?

Strongly agreed. When I think of the best Nintendo products the words “fun” and “play” spring to mind. AAA gaming on the other hand, either resembles sports, shallow short-form media, or Oscar-bait melodrama. Very little fun to be had. What ever happened to fun and play?

This is such a trite take. Whenever I hear it, what comes to my mind is: "bro, do you even play games?".

The gaming industry is huge and gamers are varied. What is fun and play to one person is boring and vapid to another. I think Nintendo's first party titles are generally excellent, but I recognize that they're not for everyone. It's not like the rest of the industry is shuffling around going "boy, if only we could figure out how to make fun games".

It seems that you want to exclude Nintendo from AAA gaming, which is also weird. Their first party titles are developed by large teams with big budgets. They're not some scrappy startup making indie titles.

FWIW, the game that won Game of the Year at the most recent game awards is Astro Bot - an amazingly fun and playful (some would say Nintendo-esque) game that is a PlayStation 5 exclusive.

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Post by squeaky-clean »

NicuCalcea wrote: post #762
irrational wrote: post #442

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No restrictions, except you can't play the Zelda, Mario, etc. games.

That's not a restriction, nobody's preventing Nintendo from bringing those games to the platform. I don't currently have pasta at my place, but that's because neither me nor my partner have bought any, not because it's banned from the house.

Obviously Nintendo is stopping them from going onto those platforms. It is very much like Spaghetti being banned from the house.

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Post by rpdillon »

xnx wrote: post #281
rpdillon wrote: post #205

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> The only real issue the Switch had was being able to keep up with some of the games put on it with FPS but it still had beautiful games (like Tears of the Kingdom) A bit of an aside, but... Tears of the Kingdom looks just awful to me. My kids played Breath of the Wild and when they got Tears of the Kingdom I walked in and was astonished at the graphic quality. I think I had just finished Doom 2016 at the time and I…

> My kids played Breath of the Wild and when they got Tears of the Kingdom I walked in and was astonished at the graphic quality. You must have good eyes! I've played through both and would be hard-pressed to tell a scene from BotW from TotK at a glance.

TotK seems extremely washed out and low-contrast is a majority of the environments. I played a bit of BotW and thought it was much more vibrant.

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Post by jpalawaga »

monocasa wrote: post #809
larusso wrote: post #614

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First Wii was able to play Game Cube Games. WiiU was backwards compatible to Wii. All theses consoles used nearly the same chipset anyways.

WiiU also had the back compat hardware of the Wii, just couldn't take a gamecube disc in it's drive. Similarly, a lot of the SNES internally looks like it was at least initially designed for back compat with the NES.

GC emulation wasn't emulation; it was done with a separate chip. It was more like native support. Eventually Nintendo removed that chip and backward-compatibility support from the console.

(so, even if you could put a GC disk in, it didn't have capability to natively play the game)

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Post by tshaddox »

cesarb wrote: post #758
maronato wrote: post #632

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Why pay for the Steam Deck, though? Buy it online and claim it never arrived to get a refund. I’m yet to hear a moral argument for emulating current games you don’t own unless you’re poor and need to choose between buying Zelda and starving.

> Why pay for the Steam Deck, though? Buy it online and claim it never arrived to get a refund. If you do so, the seller has one less device. If you copy a game, the seller still has the same number of games. Your analogy clearly doesn't work. A better analogy would be possible if we had Star Trek replicators: replicating a full Steam Deck.

> A better analogy would be possible if we had Star Trek replicators: replicating a full Steam Deck.

Well, we literally invented Star Trek replicators for information, and we've seen what happened. If we had Star Trek replicators people would be complaining that replicating food, medicine, etc. is immoral because you should be paying the "original creator" for their intellectual property.

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #856
Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #706

My concern with this is that the joycob being larger won't fit the hands of younger kids anymore. The switch 1 joycon was the only one that allowed reaching the controller buttons and the stick (while held horizontally) for my 3 years old. All other controllers that exist are too big, clearly nobody tested with young children. And I wish they had names for their arrow buttons, because when held horizontally it makes…

Fair concern, but on the other hand joycons are seriously uncomfortable for people older than that because of how small they are. It seems reasonable for Nintendo to optimize for the common users, not the extreme minority of small children.

Of course, however adults can buy the Pro controller, but kids have no other option.

Just voicing my frustration with the gaming industry as a whole: there isn't a controller for kids, even the ones that claims to be are for 8+ I suspect.

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Post by NicuCalcea »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #872
NicuCalcea wrote: post #762

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That's not a restriction, nobody's preventing Nintendo from bringing those games to the platform. I don't currently have pasta at my place, but that's because neither me nor my partner have bought any, not because it's banned from the house.

Obviously Nintendo is stopping them from going onto those platforms. It is very much like Spaghetti being banned from the house.

But Steam doesn't restrict Nintendo from releasing their game on the platform, so the platform isn't restricted.

To put it another way, if I invite you to my birthday party, but you say you're busy, does that mean that my house is restricted to you? Are my other friends restricted from hanging out with you because you decided to stay home?

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Post by rpdillon »

mingus88 wrote: post #270
buster wrote: post #237

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To me, Nintendo is more about gameplay then graphics and i hope it stays that way.

Exactly. If you want to be dazzled with AAA titles running at 120Hz/60fps/4k then there are plenty of ways to spend your money. Frankly that segment of the industry feels like a treadmill of never ending upgrades for the same basic game. My whole family shares and island in animal crossing, firing up some arcade brawlers on the couch. We’ve been playing the hell out of our switch for years and never once have we comp…

My main issue with the art style is that it's very flat, with large areas of a single, solid color, when more shading would add a sense of nuance and depth. A character's face, body, or hair will have a single light color, and a single dark color. This isn't about 4k, 120Hz, or huge polygon count, it's about basic shading to convey that things are 3d.

I've played mostly 20+ year old games for years, and don't own a gaming machine or high-end console. I'm into Doom from the 90s, OpenTTD, and Morrowind. But TotK should have been better, in my opinion. The art style just isn't my cup of tea.

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Post by squeaky-clean »

esperent wrote: post #368
TingPing wrote: post #221

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DLSS is disappointing compared to actual resolution increases. It adds plenty of artifacts like shimmer, ghosting, occlusion issues. I’m expecting Nintendo to use it unfortunately.

Have you watched any of the recent videos about dlss 4? It's using a different neural network for upscaling, and these issues seem to be massively reduced. It should be compatible back to at least the 20xx GPUs as well, not just the new 50xx GPUs. Maybe it'll be on the switch 2 as well. I've only seen a few clips of Cyberpunk but they surprised me a lot. If that level of quality can work on other games too then it'll…

DLSS 3 looked great in their teasers too, but it's filled with temporal ghosting in practice.
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