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Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by adamc » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 4:13 PM UTC

bargainbin wrote: post #468

nerdjon wrote: post #109

Happy to see that Nintendo is treating the switch more like how they traditionally handled their mobile platforms instead of their consoles. Iterating instead of throwing out everything with each new version. There is a part of me that is going to miss the, do weird shit and see what works, Nintendo that brought us some really fun ideas. But a stable Nintendo just being able to continue putting out great games has it…

They’ve got the weird shit covered still, apparently the joy cons in this gen can be used as mice. Was heavily rumoured/leaked and this teaser video literally shows them gliding along a surface. How Nintendo will leverage that functionality, who could honestly say, but that’s the genius of keeping a toy company mindset in an industry full of sports car company mindsets.

That last sentence is worth an essay of its own. Everyone else keeps pumping resources into being photo-realistic blah-blah-blah without nearly enough attention to "is this fun"?

Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by bombcar » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 4:14 PM UTC

TMWNN wrote: post #395

foodevl wrote: post #212

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They were screwed from the start... The Xbox came out when the PS2 did. When it came time for the next generation, Sony went with the obvious PS3. Microsoft of course couldn't compete with an "Xbox 2" vs a "PS3", and they couldn't skip right to "Xbox 3", so they called it the "Xbox 360", which was frankly genius because it had the 3 there anyway and put it on the same level in consumers' eyes. But after that it all f…

>Microsoft of course couldn't compete with an "Xbox 2" vs a "PS3", and they couldn't skip right to "Xbox 3" Nope, it all goes back to Microsoft not naming the 360 "Xbox 3" with some lame excuse for why it did so. Yes, everyone would have laughed, but no one would remember or care today that the "Xbox 5" isn't actually the fifth Xbox. An alternative that Microsoft missed, from Reddit: >They could have named the Xbox S…

Exactly - or they could have released a rare, ignored souped up Xbox as the "Xbox 2" and done the "Xbox 3".

The 360 was a good "fix" for the problem but not going to something like Xbox13 or Xbox2013 (though year based names were on the out by then) - anything other than "Xbox One" (Xbone would have been better).

I still don't know how the various versions work and apply to the Series SeX.

Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by xyzzy_plugh » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 4:14 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #439

irrational wrote: post #435

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Isn't the point of owning a switch to play games that aren't on the Steam Deck? Zelda, Mario, etc.?

With emulators those games can also be played on the Steam Deck.

Sure, but you cannot play online, though. You can't trade Pokemon for example. Tetris 99 got a lot of play in our house. It heavily depends on what you're chasing.

Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by PaulHoule » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 4:14 PM UTC

TingPing wrote: post #182

joseda-hg wrote: post #108

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I have gigabit, but no servers that are close, it's... rough

Streaming in the same house still isn’t very good. Games are very latency sensitive.

Depends on the game. I think I'm more sensitive to latency (less able to compensate) than most people. I couldn't enjoy playing Titanfall until I put my Samsung TV in game mode; I would just get hit and couldn't do anything about it playing League of Legends on my gaming laptop with a 4K monitor, but when I hooked up an external monitor, mirrored the screen, and ran a clock, I took photos showing my laptops' screen was behind by 30 ms. I started playing on an external monitor and started to win. I even found I had a hard time with some 1 player games such as Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet if I didn't run in game mode.

On the other hand, I went through a phase where I did a lot of streaming from my PC to a NVIDIA Shield and an XBOX. Sometimes through wired Ethernet, something through an airMAX microwave link to my other house. Games like Persona 5 and Orcs Must Die 3 were just fine, but I could not play any Rhythm games, which I have a knack for, High-Fi Rush was no fun at all.

Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by jimbohn » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 4:14 PM UTC

We got a switch a few years ago and it collected dust. The shop is overpriced (and slow) and I guess we aren't really into their first-party titles. I don't see what it offers against a steam deck except the aforementioned first-party titles.

edit: except the aforementioned first-party titles

Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by thedufer » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 4:16 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #411

At this point I'd be hard pressed to consider this over my Steam Deck. We will see the specs later but I doubt it will really compete processing-wise or screen-wise. The openness (full arch desktop) of the Steam Deck is also awesome while having a great UI that you never have to leave if you don't want to. EDIT: I mistakenly called it "fedora desktop", my bad

I have both and they certainly each have their place. The Steam Deck has a much wider variety of games and can handle heavier graphics loads, but it is too heavy to be all that comfortable for handheld use, and the Switch is in my mind the undisputed champion of local multiplayer (more portable controllers, controller connections Just Work, good variety of local multiplayer games, etc).

Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by numpad0 » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 4:16 PM UTC

CitrusFruits wrote: post #372

Johanx64 wrote: post #279

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It's so odd to see Nintendo who hasn't competed on hardware specs for decades to release new console without atleast some gimmick(s) to sell their severely underpowered hardware. Absolute zero gimmicks and zero excitement. I personally dont care for gimmicks, but I expect them from Nintendo.

People are speculating that you can use the controllers like a computer mouse. You can see an allusion to that towards the end of the video.

That sounds like such an obvious oversight with benefit of hindsight. They could have instantly plugged Valorant/Apex gateway into PC established by YT Live/Twitch through that if only they had it on the right joycon.

Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by makeitdouble » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 4:17 PM UTC

tmvphil wrote: post #303

I get this is Nintendo, so it'll never be fixed, but I honestly hate having to buy Nintendo hardware just to play the three or four big-name platform exclusives per generation. It would be so much better for consumers if they would just abandon the hardware and be a regular games company

To Nintendo's credit, their big exclusive titles tend to take advantage of the special hardware.

Zelda was weird and impractical outside of the standard controls, but still somewhat benefited from NFC.

Splatoon plays a lot better with the motion controls, NFC is actually a nice QOL improvement. A game like Arms is also nicer in split mode, even if core players tend to get back to the standard controller mode.

I see it along the lines of the Allan Kay "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware" quote. Nintendo should stay serious IMHO.

Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by scop » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 4:20 PM UTC

PaulHoule wrote: post #381

manojlds wrote: post #223

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State of the art imo is Metroid Prime

It's a beautiful game, one of the first to use programmable shaders, and one of the earliest that doesn't look dated at all. The shaders make everything look smooth without looking blurry. Loading screens are hidden, it's not like the contemporaneous PS2 game Mafia where you wait a few minutes to load, spend a few minutes driving across town on a mission to shoot up some people at a restaurant, get yourself shot up,…

As soon as you said Mafia I felt that loading in my bones…

Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by arduinomancer » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 4:20 PM UTC

jimbohn wrote: post #485

We got a switch a few years ago and it collected dust. The shop is overpriced (and slow) and I guess we aren't really into their first-party titles. I don't see what it offers against a steam deck except the aforementioned first-party titles. edit: except the aforementioned first-party titles

It offers first party titles, you said it yourself