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Allstate used GasBuddy and other apps to track driving behavior: lawsuit

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Re: Allstate used GasBuddy and other apps to track driving behavior: lawsuit

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For the same reason you don't wear remotely controlled collar on your neck that paralyzes you in case you're doing something dangerous.

A recording of whether or not a driver is distracted driving to be able to prove it is not analogous to a collar that paralyzes someone.

I don't see any difference. You can and will do harm and we just want to prevent it. The collar goes in different styles and colors, you'll love it.

Re: Allstate used GasBuddy and other apps to track driving behavior: lawsuit

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Then it’s a boring thought experiment. It hardly deserves the name “experiment”.

Sure. I can’t speak for Scoundreller, but I don’t think it was meant to be particularly interesting, just pointing out to wbl that if insurance was to become perfectly fair, it will also have become pointless.

There’s a pretty big leap between perfectly fair and having perfect knowledge of the future. You can know that a fair coin gives exactly 50% chance to flip heads or tails without knowing what the outcome of the flip is going to be.

Re: Allstate used GasBuddy and other apps to track driving behavior: lawsuit

#193

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Sure. I can’t speak for Scoundreller, but I don’t think it was meant to be particularly interesting, just pointing out to wbl that if insurance was to become perfectly fair, it will also have become pointless.

There’s a pretty big leap between perfectly fair and having perfect knowledge of the future. You can know that a fair coin gives exactly 50% chance to flip heads or tails without knowing what the outcome of the flip is going to be.

The original context was unsafe drivers, with the gist of the response being that when you have everyone paying for exactly the costs they themselves incur, insurance has become meaningless.

It’s hyperbole of sorts, but it highlights that until such a time, raising the cost of insurance doesn’t just punish the people who actually cause the damage.

Re: Allstate used GasBuddy and other apps to track driving behavior: lawsuit

#194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A recording of whether or not a driver is distracted driving to be able to prove it is not analogous to a collar that paralyzes someone.

I don't see any difference. You can and will do harm and we just want to prevent it. The collar goes in different styles and colors, you'll love it.

I guess being permanently paralyzed because someone rams into you because they were checking their texts or TikTok is not harm, but a video recording of someone not paying attention to the road is harm.

Re: Allstate used GasBuddy and other apps to track driving behavior: lawsuit

#195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a pretty big leap between perfectly fair and having perfect knowledge of the future. You can know that a fair coin gives exactly 50% chance to flip heads or tails without knowing what the outcome of the flip is going to be.

The original context was unsafe drivers, with the gist of the response being that when you have everyone paying for exactly the costs they themselves incur, insurance has become meaningless. It’s hyperbole of sorts, but it highlights that until such a time, raising the cost of insurance doesn’t just punish the people who actually cause the damage.

Except insurance also covers for costs that are not your fault or not anyone’s fault. An insurance premium could be divided into two components: one based on individual risk and the other component based on no-fault risk that applies to pretty much everyone equally. How are you going to get bad drivers to pay for hail damage? How are you going to get bad drivers to pay for a tree falling on your car? How are you going to get bad drivers to pay for an accident caused by a random tire blowout?

The personal risk component can be accounted by “perfect” information and that component can get bigger or smaller depending on your definition of perfect, but there’s another component which can’t.

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