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Re: Nobody cares

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Has the author been tested for ADHD? Not that people with ADHD are the only ones that care. They just care really hard about all the little things, and have a really hard time switching it off for their own benefit.

What you’re describing sounds more like OCPD than ADHD to me

Re: Nobody cares

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Care does not come from without, but instead from within. To proclaim "Why does nobody care about anything?" is to neglect an oft quoted axiom: You must be the change you wish to see in the world.[0] 0 - https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/mahatma_gandhi_109075

Okay, I now care passionately about each and everything I do. The bike ramp still sucks. What now?

Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Re: Nobody cares

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Has the author been tested for ADHD? Not that people with ADHD are the only ones that care. They just care really hard about all the little things, and have a really hard time switching it off for their own benefit.

What you’re describing sounds more like OCPD than ADHD to me

I mean that's in the anxiety disorder family so it probably bleeds between both.

Re: Nobody cares

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Most of the government employees that work in the bureaucracy do care. They care a lot. The reason their "favorite" part of the job is "stability" or "job security" is because the pay usually sucks compared to industry, and the bullshit you have to put up with to avoid scandals, lawsuits, and corruption also sucks. Most of the civil servants I know stay in their jobs because they really do want to help people; they r…

My wife works for the federal government of Canada. Her and her coworkers are some of the most sincerely interested and concerned people I've met, at least as far as their work goes. I work with chronic job-hoppers and shiny-thing-chasers. She works with people who care deeply about their teams, the quality of their work, the health and purpose of their union, the sustainability of their organization, the safety of their work, etc. They pour so much into it.

I had a thought years ago that the startup I was working for would find them laughably inefficient. Yet that startup is dead and gone, in part because they put none of the same care, intention, and thought into creating something functional and sustainable. We often think highly of how we work from first principles, move fast and break things, or whatever, but I think many of us have lost sight of what having a regular job that gradually, yet more certainly, improves the world around us looks like.

I do think they should strive to innovate more. I often write scripts to automate my wife's work, and it blows my mind how little they've invested in exploring what's possible. Yet they're one of the best hydrographic offices in the world.

Re: Nobody cares

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You know who really cares? The Karen in the HOA who relentlessly hounds the board because one of the units in the complex has the wrong color paint on their door. Be careful what you wish for, or the grass is always greener.

Most Karen's are actually great. We only hear about the unhinged ones on social media because the algorithm rewards outrage. But most Karen's are kind and they care and they work hard and they set an example for all of us. It's the Karen's in the world that keep all the small things from being shitty all the time.

They're called "Karens" because they're unhinged, not because of whatever other criteria you're imagining. The kind people you're referring to aren't Karens.

Re: Nobody cares

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Japan had a reputation for pointless bureaucracy (faxing useless paperwork around to get something approved, etc).

Faxing... So very convenient! We have to personally take the paper orginals to various offices around the city, wait hours in a queue, get another paper document, go make copies, assemble another folder and go to yet another office/institution.

Don't forget when your coworker prints out a memo, asks you for edits on the paper, then you go in and edit the virtual document.

Re: Nobody cares

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I don't have faith that this is something we can fix in the short term because most of us have been educated in a very competitive environment where individuals come first. I'm not saying that the opposite is good either, but we should find a balance in between. I also feel like that we are all becoming more disconnected, alone, and where the center of gravity is only ourself. Despite my premise, I still have some ho…

> most of us have been educated in a very competitive environment where individuals come first This is definitely intertwined with rampant individualism, but I don't think it's just our education or lack thereof that's to blame. It's also the environment we're born into and therefore never really question where it leads us and why. Century of the Self [0] makes an excellent case for where/how things went wrong, and w…

> we never deviated from this path because capitalism and its consumption-first economies would never permit such a thing.

While I haven't read Century of the Self, I will say that most of East Asia outside of China and NK are fiercely capitalistic. Ads are everywhere and obvious. There's a huge focus on consumption and status. There's generally much looser restrictions on zoning, gambling, and prostitution than the West. And yet the cultures continue being a lot more collective and understanding of their fellow person. South Asia is less capitalistic (having transitioned from more socialistic modes of economic organization somewhat recently), but is still quite capitalistic.

I think capitalism might exacerbate this in the West but it is fundamentally a Western problem. Most of East and South Asia still operates on an extended family model where there's an expectation that when a person or a family is having a hard time they take resources from their family and when they're in a position to do well they give resources to their struggling family members. Lots of extended families have family members who are ... problematic. Many of these folks have gambling issues, can't hold down jobs, have mental health problems, etc. But families support them. They never really thrive but they usually have food, shelter, companionship, and understanding around them. I think this creates a level of empathy that's just absent from Western society.

My partner and I are Asian but we have caucasian friends. Many of our caucasian friends will cut off problematic family members immediately. Indeed a lot of caucasians I know are very quick to cut people they don't like or who don't align with their values out of their life. This culture of individual supremacy is what I think really plagues the west which used to at one time have a less individualistic nature and now finds its hyper atomization eating away at the foundations of its societies.

Re: Nobody cares

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The sad part, the "do not care" attitude is infectious. Maybe there is a bright-eyed programmer who just joined and who wants to make UX better. They are full of enthusiasm, but nobody (around them) cares. They are fixing the most annoying bugs that users complained forever about.. but they is not recognized, because nobody (around them) cares. They hope to show a good example but nobody cares. Instead they get negat…

These people show up, offer trivially incorrect or untenable solutions to the trickiest problems. Rarely do they have the insight that fixes them. Often they do things that introduce more risk.

Not all problems are tricky, there are plenty of easy-to-fix bugs that go unfixed.

For example, there is an internal product that I use daily that has broken http links in error/status messages.

Re: Nobody cares

#179
The author should really move to Japan if they’re so impressed. Then they’ll get to find out what things in Japan no-one gives a shit about, and the shine will wear off.

Re: Nobody cares

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The sad part, the "do not care" attitude is infectious. Maybe there is a bright-eyed programmer who just joined and who wants to make UX better. They are full of enthusiasm, but nobody (around them) cares. They are fixing the most annoying bugs that users complained forever about.. but they is not recognized, because nobody (around them) cares. They hope to show a good example but nobody cares. Instead they get negat…

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I don't think it's similar at all, unless you have some sort of directors/investors telling you what to do (based on your comments, you don't)

I (and OP) was talking about people who have power over the product (software engineers, managers, designers) not caring.

In your case, people with power over product (you) clearly care very much, it's just the product is not interesting to others. (Which kinda makes sense? It's yet another PHP framework with AI and Crypto, and there is plenty of them...)

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