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Re: Nobody cares

#121
I care. It's frustrating sometimes, but I still can't help myself.

Working with people that also care (and are empowered to do something about it) is the greatest thing. I've worked in several such teams over the years and it's absolutely awesome.

On the opposite side, working on a team that doesn't is the worst.

I've actually been reprimanded by middle managers for caring, because caring sometimes takes more time than planned, and an arbitrary internal deadline wasn't met. I've come to realize they do in fact care, just not about the software but only about their own promotion. And the core issue is that they don't actually know why their own deadlines and feature requirements exist, they just get them handed to them.

This is different when you work closer to and with a customer directly. They know exactly what's important and why they need X or Y. When someone actually has to deliver results and deal with the users, they are more invested in having a working system. Here, caring involves finding the "right" person (usually not the one in charge), talking to them and figuring out what they really need (not want) and how they're using the system.

In such a setting, caring and building stuff that truly works is also reflected in performance reviews as everyone including the customer is happy.

You really have to pick your battles. I've had to make some concessions myself: some stuff turns out to be more complicated or unclear than it is at first glance, and sometimes you really don't have and can't make time for it. And in really large companies, there are sometimes so many people involved that you often can't get the answers you need or access to the person you need. Or you end up at legal which is more often than not a dead end.

Re: Nobody cares

#122
post #43

You know who really cares? The Karen in the HOA who relentlessly hounds the board because one of the units in the complex has the wrong color paint on their door. Be careful what you wish for, or the grass is always greener.

You bring up an important adjacent point. OP believes bikers and non-drivers are substantial stakeholders, but ignores that the tax complainers and drivers may prefer the world that way. And they do hound council.

How would a better solution to the bike lane cost more tax or worsen situation for drivers?

Re: Nobody cares

#123

Believe it or not, there are many super rural places in the US where people care because there is such a close knit community

Maybe I'll retire to one. Will I be welcome as a transgender person? How far do I need to drive for tofu? I've been eating a lot the last few weeks and I don't want to give it up

Re: Nobody cares

#124

I want to live in a community where everyone cares.

Reading the original article I reflected: "I can totally see how this can happen, but for some reason it doesn't happen where I live"

I moved to Switzerland 9y ago. People care. I believe this is due to high trust society which evolved not that long ago from small, poor, tightly woven communities.

Re: Nobody cares

#125
post #45

> In Japan, you get the impression that everyone takes their job and role in society seriously. The median Japanese 7-11 clerk takes their job more seriously than the median US city bureaucrat. My favorite example of this is how, if you visit 7-11 in Japan and an employee isn’t busy, or is busy but with an unimportant task, they will jump to open a cash register and check people out the second a queue forms. They wil…

Oh.. do people not do that anymore? At the little grocery store I worked at in BC Canada, if there were like 2 or 3 people in line we'd call for help if they weren't already on their way. Seems like a pretty basic thing. Here in the US, I don't know what's going on with the cashiers. They're slow. They don't say a single word to you, not even to give you your total. And they're awful at bagging. I just don't get it.…

How roles are perceived, becomes how people perceive themselves, becomes how people act out those roles.

Or more to the point: Its easier to be what people expect you to be.

In my experience the US is especially susceptible to this 'roleplaying', probably because all (entertrainment) media comes from the same overarching culture.

Re: Nobody cares

#126

I want to live in a community where everyone cares.

Trust me: You don't. You'd go insane. See for example everyone who has to live with an HOA.

Classically underspecified, you are right. The care has to be about others and respecting them, not about oneself. Like in a good partnership. Care about giving, not taking.

But as the article frustratedly states, it usually goes the other way. Like Jethro Tull progressing into desillusion from

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=luDfuZkeqKU

to

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f7SGq7jMdSU

This planet is such a beautiful marble and all we do is trample it with our feet. Guys, make a random somebody smile today, will ya?

Re: Nobody cares

#127
post #45

> In Japan, you get the impression that everyone takes their job and role in society seriously. The median Japanese 7-11 clerk takes their job more seriously than the median US city bureaucrat. My favorite example of this is how, if you visit 7-11 in Japan and an employee isn’t busy, or is busy but with an unimportant task, they will jump to open a cash register and check people out the second a queue forms. They wil…

Oh.. do people not do that anymore? At the little grocery store I worked at in BC Canada, if there were like 2 or 3 people in line we'd call for help if they weren't already on their way. Seems like a pretty basic thing. Here in the US, I don't know what's going on with the cashiers. They're slow. They don't say a single word to you, not even to give you your total. And they're awful at bagging. I just don't get it.…

It is a hard job if you and your partner both have full-time jobs and other part-time or side-hustles just to barely pay the rent.

Re: Nobody cares

#128
post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. The CEO in question publicly declared his own job would be forfeit within a year if he didn't meet goals that were in the recent past history of the company, absolutely impossible. He met and exceeded those goals. The IC isn't powerless with good management.

What company was it, who was the CEO, and what's one specific thing one of the departments did? Or are you just copy/pasting LinkedIn drivel?

Nissan, Ghosn, and I can't answer the third easily without delving back into it, but if I think of an answer, I'll edit this reply.

Re: Nobody cares

#129
post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What company was it, who was the CEO, and what's one specific thing one of the departments did? Or are you just copy/pasting LinkedIn drivel?

Nissan, Ghosn, and I can't answer the third easily without delving back into it, but if I think of an answer, I'll edit this reply.

Never heard of Ghosn before - but you mean this guy? https://www.dmarge.com/cars/nissan-bankruptcy-ceo-carlos-gho...

The guy who's a wanted fugitive in Japan and fled to Lebanon by shipping himself in a piano box?

Re: Nobody cares

#130
I think if you want the closest thing to Japan in the United States, consider moving to Hawaii.

Seriously, the cops drive Toyota 4Runners. It’s an asian majority state.

It might be a good compromise into what you are looking for.

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