Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

theautopian.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

141–150 of 216 posts

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#141

Post by Over2Chars »

vlz wrote: post #135
Over2Chars wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The virulent anti-nationalists are, themselves, often a very pro-war faction.

Can you give an example? Honestly don’t know who this is supposed to be.

Virulent anti-nationalists are generally marxist leninist communists.

The rhetoric of the anti-nationalists is generally implicitly or explicitly "internationalist". In early Communist organization names they often used the word "international" and I think they even have a toe tappin' song by that name:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDbatoAvuB4

And if you doubt the second part "are often pro-war" this is the doctrine of divide and conquer, civil war (called "class war") in which the target of their anti-nationalist colonialism is provoked into disorder before the "forces of liberation" can swoop in and expand the mother country.

This has been endlessly documented in many places. Probably one of the better ones is George Orwell's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_to_Catalonia

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#142

Post by tipiirai »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #125
killjoywashere wrote: post #45

> engineers mused over whether there was anything to be done top stop a torrent of enemy missiles falling across the nation. These superweapons seemed to promise destruction on an overbearing scale, threatening the very existence of human civilization itself. THEY STILL DO!!!! This is what drives me nuts about our politics: so many people seem to think we can flirt with the sort of nationalism (1) that led us into WW…

Nationalists are not motivated by reason. Just telling them they're going to start a nuclear war isn't a deterrent. Loyalty, sacrifice, obedience, ethnicity, borders, tradition, etc are their primary motivators today. If they have to end the world with nukes to protect "their" nation, then by golly, that's what they'll do. Self-preservation isn't as important as preservation of the ethos . Look at any white nationali…

Well said. I can strongly feel this happening in Finland, which became a racist country in one year.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#143

Post by gnkyfrg »

aardvarkr wrote: post #122
elzbardico wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Huh? What did the current administration do to force Russia to invade a sovereign nation? How did this administration topple Assad? Laughable that you think it’s ISIS running the show. How did the current administration convince Hamas to launch a war against Israel? Gtfo with your “liberal Pearl clutching” lmao you’re a joke

[dead]

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#144

Post by jcgrillo »

somerandomqaguy wrote: post #42
redox99 wrote: post #22

The title and some of the comments assume it would be something like if you take 15 extra minutes you would just die . When in reality it would just be an increase in cancer risk. If it were THAT contaminated they'd use the AREA CLOSED the article mentions anyways. To be fatal within days you need about 10,000 mSv of exposure. Even with heavy fallout, exposure would probably be around 10 mSv per hour.

I'd imagine the concern is the radioactive dust / fallout getting stuck onto the vehicle, clothes, and hair which would increase your exposure time; getting through that zone as quick as possible could limit that dust sticking. But that's just my guess.

changing engine and cabin air filters would become an extremely hazardous affair

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#145

Post by Abekkus »

tipiirai wrote: post #142
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nationalists are not motivated by reason. Just telling them they're going to start a nuclear war isn't a deterrent. Loyalty, sacrifice, obedience, ethnicity, borders, tradition, etc are their primary motivators today. If they have to end the world with nukes to protect "their" nation, then by golly, that's what they'll do. Self-preservation isn't as important as preservation of the ethos . Look at any white nationali…

Well said. I can strongly feel this happening in Finland, which became a racist country in one year.

Fomenting nativist rage was exactly why Russia created the migrant crisis by destabilizing Syria. Im guessing you have a biased corporate media environment like America, too?

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#146

Post by wincy »

thfuran wrote: post #43
boomboomsubban wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worse, they mention supervised traffic, so presumably at some point people standing outside next to speeding traffic and radiation. Also, how fast is "safe" when seemingly you'll regularly be encountering crashed cars from people who didn't make it?

What do you mean crashed cars from people who didn't make it? The sign is basically a "minimum speed 40 mph" sign routinely seen on the interstates but with a bit more teeth. The sides of highways aren't usually lined with crashed cars (except occasionally when winter gets feisty).

Those signs are all over Georgia and it absolutely wigged out my Toyota’s sensor that scans speed limit signs. For 3 hours the car thought the speed limit was 40mph while I was going 85.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#147

Post by DonHopkins »

defrost wrote: post #131
elzbardico wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

> Everyone who is not drunk on Propaganda > people like you are unable of critical thinking. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

>...Minsky agreements...

He must be a manfunctioning AI bot. ;)

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#148

Post by YetAnotherNick »

zaik wrote: post #96
BurningFrog wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japan could of course do it in secret, like others have.

In a complete disregard for the rule of law? Which other democratic countries with anti-nuclear constitution had a secret nuclear program?

Military breaks constitution all the times, including in US. I believe most constitutions have anti torture stance, but most military have torture camp.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#149

Post by pierrec »

manquer wrote: post #23
timeon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were volunteers even in Chernobyl. (Not-really volunteers as well)

> (Not-really volunteers as well) There were many volunteers at Chernobyl, like the three engineers who went underwater to close the valves, many people fully understood the risks associated and still worked on it voluntarily. Lets not belittle their sacrifices by snide political commentary

I don't think the grandparent comment was misleading, belittling or snide in any way.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#150

Post by niccl »

redox99 wrote: post #22

The title and some of the comments assume it would be something like if you take 15 extra minutes you would just die . When in reality it would just be an increase in cancer risk. If it were THAT contaminated they'd use the AREA CLOSED the article mentions anyways. To be fatal within days you need about 10,000 mSv of exposure. Even with heavy fallout, exposure would probably be around 10 mSv per hour.

I'd read the title as 'if you see this there's a nuclear war going on and it will escalate and you'll die'

Maybe not what was intended but that's how I see it

Post reply on HN