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Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license

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Which is why strongly favoring products that are already real open source is the best business decision.

Is there an 'open source Slack' type thing anywhere? This is the closest I've found- https://mattermost.com/

Zulip is another one, mentioned in a sibling comment. Matrix/Element is used by some companies. Nextcloud Chat exists, but I don't know much about it.

Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license

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Is there an 'open source Slack' type thing anywhere? This is the closest I've found- https://mattermost.com/

Zulip is another one, mentioned in a sibling comment. Matrix/Element is used by some companies. Nextcloud Chat exists, but I don't know much about it.

I think the Nextcloud offering is called "Nextcloud Talk", for anyone wanting to check that out.

Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license

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Zulip is another one, mentioned in a sibling comment. Matrix/Element is used by some companies. Nextcloud Chat exists, but I don't know much about it.

I think the Nextcloud offering is called "Nextcloud Talk", for anyone wanting to check that out.

Oh yeah, you are right... my bad :)

Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license

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The difference here is more important than that.

I'm sure the people who insist on the proper usage of the term "champagne" claim their linguistic crusade is important too!

Imagine a "champagne" you can't use for parties. [1]

Ok, your birthday party and weeding are excluded.

If you are in a dinner at home foe two, is it a party?

Funerals?

Let's buy a real champagne instead.

[1] It has a microphone and a camera and GPS and use AI to detect parties. The data is send to the servers and stored securetely.

Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license

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Which is why strongly favoring products that are already real open source is the best business decision.

Is there an 'open source Slack' type thing anywhere? This is the closest I've found- https://mattermost.com/

IRC probably. It doesn’t have every feature slack has though.

Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license

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It is a 100% not open-source. It won't be maintained besides pull-requests AND if another company or individual develops this further, it can not be used commercially by anybody else but the company who released this. It this fair? Open source goes both ways.

They have given us a gift with the code being availabile as it is. It would be fair for them to have released nothing. I do think its a shame that it can't legally be combined with GPL'd free software

You misunderstood me. I am grateful they are sharing the source code for review. My problem is with the wording. Open source means something different by definition. If they leave this project in the dust and someone else continues to maintain it, because he depends on it, this would be illegal and they could sue if they want years later. With open source this can not happen to you. It is a huge difference.

Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license

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Even that's a minefield, a non-profit that sells things (like a sports club selling merch) is still potentially engaging in commercial activity.

Good point. I suppose many people, like me, would not think about that.. but.. IANAL but at least in Germany I think there's often some correlation of "not profit-oriented" and "no commercial purpose" - I mean, every time you let someone pay for membership in your club, it can be seen as commercial, but mostly not.

Germany is one of the countries I've heard this is an issue in https://www.techdirt.com/2014/03/27/german-court-says-creati...

Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license

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Campsite is not open source. From the LICENSE file on the repo [0]: > Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International [0] https://github.com/campsite/campsite/blob/dae5db8611e8adc057...

Honestly, I find this whole OSI open-source definition annoying. I'm pretty sure if this went to court a judge would say it's legally is open source because the source code is open. The fact, FOSS folk want to add a bunch of requirements to open source to make it harder for commercial software just stinks and that is really what it is. "You can't claim you're open source because you limit competitors using your code…

> I'm pretty sure if this went to court a judge would say it's legally is open source because the source code is open.

Talk to some lawyers. I'm sure you could bring the first lawsuit to try to get a judge to rule that everyone should agree with you on what "open source" means.

Good luck with that.

Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license

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I'm glad the founders have found a way out. This is key when launching a product that never really took off. However, I never understood why this product existed in the first place. I'll probably get downvoted to oblivion, but to me, it represents exactly the type of software people from Silicon Valley would release: products disconnected from the needs of real companies, not the fancy unicorns. This is represented by this sentence on the marketing website: "The new standard for...". For future companies: before claiming to be the new standard, please be the new standard in the first place.

That being said, for educational purposes, making the code publicly available is a nice gesture and I see a lot of values. I wish more companies would do that so the industry as a whole learn from the talents of others - because yes, these people are incredibly talented.

Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license

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Campsite is not open source. From the LICENSE file on the repo [0]: > Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International [0] https://github.com/campsite/campsite/blob/dae5db8611e8adc057...

Ok, I've attempted to bypass this issue by editing the title above. Submitted title was "Campsite is now open source".

If there's a better (more accurate and neutral) title, we can change it again.

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