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WordPress Is in Trouble

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Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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> The suboptimal cases are autocracy with bad leaders or democracy with good leaders If we're talking real-life dictatorships and republics, the latter make much better use of brilliant leaders' talents. In part by not having a power struggle at the end that, on a coin flip, decides if the work survives.

In the short or intermediate term? I'd argue that democracy is almost always a roadblock to a great leader's ability to execute their vision quickly and fully. On the other hand, it often wins out in the long run by not losing as much when the inevitable terrible leader comes to power. (As well as providing a pressure release mechanism to prevent populist revolution)

> democracy is almost always a roadblock to a great leader's ability to execute their vision quickly and fully

Quickly and fully, sure. In the end, however, good ideas see daylight. (Even if it means the other side co-opts and renames it!) That doesn’t happen in autocracies because the same people remain in power longer; this means by the time the opposition dies everyone who supported or potentially remembered it (or the opportunity it was meant to capitalise on) is gone.

More than that, republics have historically been far superior at integrating other cultures. That process of appropriation means the source for good ideas is wider than the population, something autocracies can only achieve with money and thus not at scale and in limited scope. (Engineers working for the KSA aren’t changing its culture, they’re building a block.)

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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It's certainly easier until you have to deal with different views of the same content. I do not trust myself to keep things consistent, and neither should you. Back in the day I'd have clobbered something together with SSIs to have, at least, a single copy of text to maintain, but that gets old quickly. A determined and focused person can probably make do with single-post pages and a titles-only styled rss. Hugo and…

>It's certainly easier until you have to deal with different views of the same content. I do not trust myself to keep things consistent, and neither should you. I would argue that's not a "static" website, but even so that's still nothing some smart usage of PHP includes or the like can't easily solve.

The whole point of ssg is to run those "PHP includes" once.

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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I don't think it's a mental breakdown, I think this is a (poorly executed) long pivot into Matt's companies having tighter control over the ecosystem and keeping more of the profits from hosting, plugin and theme sales. He's burning down "the community" on purpose. In a couple years, it'll be run more like Shopify, where the theme store and app store only list products that run their billing through Shopify and give…

One reason that Reddit's API changes killing the best clients was so poisonous is that the resulting non-exodus showed other companies that they can take user-hostile actions with impunity. A big enough mass of passive and undiscerning users will stay no matter what. Hence there being more freedom to take a strategy like this.

Reddit is not GPL so while hostile it’s incomparable to WordPress core. The user base of Reddit would have to rewrite from scratch. Wordpress can and will be forked if it comes to it. There are enough businesses relying on it that it would be worth it to re govern it under an alternate name.

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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Sure, some of the web is read-only, but what about commenting, contact forms, forums, eCommerce or anything else that requires a proper server? That's a big advantage WP and other full CMS have over static site generators.

A lot of corpsites are wordpress, and are modified once a quarter or so, those should not be running wordpress internet-facing due to its terrible performance and constant susceptibility to vulnerabilities (or that of its themes/plugins landscape due to it being all pure PHP that can do anything). Wordpress is a useful tool to generate static sites though, I've done that before and it's glorious. Use all the friendly…

Gravity forms is actually quite an amazing form system. Do you have another that handles repeater fields and all the rest with a great ux?

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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The benefit of WP is the huge theme and plugin ecosystem. I know of people that started a business just on WP + theme + plugin without any dev expirience or money for a developer

This is basically true, though I'd point out that most of those themes and plugins are hot garbage minefields full of bugs and security vulns, and due to the fact that it's all just wild-west PHP here, a nontechnical WP admin actually making use of the whole wide world of plugins and themes out there is exactly as safe as downloading absolutely any .exe you want while running Windows XP as Administrator without any f…

But Wordpress.org actually contains a well reviewed library of the plugins where the review scores and reviews are actually helpful and have the support forum right there as well. It’s going to be the most difficult part to “fork”

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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What would replace it? PHP is unique in that it makes sharing a server trivial and low-resource compared to almost every other solution. A simple example might be that you can run 100s of PHP forums on a single machine low memory machine but if you want to use discourse (not written in PHP), it requires 10x 20x the resources for a single forum. This is true about almost every other solution AFAICT.

What is it about PHP that makes this low-resource scenario possible?

PHP being low-resource is a fallacy. You either:

- use mod_php which must start an interpreter instance for each request and has to dump all associated resources (db handle and the like) and memory when the request is served

- use something like FPM that has a pool of workers ready to communicate with the web server, which is more or less what every other languages do, if not via fast-cgi just by proxying an application server

Another way is event-driven, async PHP application server, but again it's not any different than similar solutions in other languages.

Now why people think PHP is low-resource ? That's all rose tinted glasses, because back in the days when everyone just used mod_php on cheap shared hosting for low-traffic websites, the execution model made it possible to get away with leaky apps since all memory was flushed at the end of the request.

If you want to go low-resource, use something like Go which is both much faster than PHP and has a lower memory footprint or choose an execution model that shares resources between requests (available in any JS, Python, Ruby, whatever you like).

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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That's difficult to do, but time will tell. There are already established forks, there are obvious leaders, there are known mechanisms to go around wordpress.org... something at some point will pick up steam and that'll be that. Maybe it will be Mullenweg himself who will continue to dig his own grave, maybe it will be the lawsuit that will be the final nail in his coffin... who knows. But WordPress will be fine. And…

I think it would basically take a tech giant going all-in (ie Amazon) and rallying other companies to get this fork into the Linux foundation or something.

WP Engine could do that, and I'd happily throw my support behind it just to spite Mullenweg. They have the funds, the motive and could leverage the existing community, including picking it's leaders and contributors. I wouldn't be surprised that's what happens once the lawsuit is over.

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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From the article: > Automattic announced that it would restrict its contributions to the open source version of WordPress. The company would now only put in about 45 hours a week total — down from nearly 4,000 a week — so as to match the estimated hourly contributions of WP Engine. source: https://automattic.com/2025/01/09/aligning-automattics-spons...

>down from nearly 4,000 a week Do they really pay that many people to work on development? That's 100 fulltime jobs.

Automattic has over 1,700 employees. [0] They had more than 1,900 before the buyouts and departures. [1] With that many people, I’m sort of surprised that they only had around 100 full time staff working on WordPress core.

[0]: https://automattic.com/press/

[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20240801231830/https://automatti...

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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Respectfully, it's not. Serious businesses take EQ seriously.

At best, "serious" businesses (which I take to mean large, successful ones) pretend to take EQ seriously.

Engaging with reality as directly as possible is important in business. Emotions are a part of reality, usually a signal about social dynamics.

At the higher levels of serious companies — by which I mean ones trying to win in the market, regardless of size - managers and executives regularly receive training about this.

I can’t say more because this is my alt, but: “executives are childish”, “executives are psychopaths”, etc. are very common, often incorrect narratives. If anything executives should be straightforward and simple.

To return to topic: something is going seriously sideways with Matt, and I wish him the best.

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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WordPress is an open source project, and part of being an open source project is you don't really have a right to demand that people not mooch off of your work, at least as far as most open source licenses are concerned [1]. If you don't like that, well, then open source isn't for you. The other major complication here is that Matt has thoroughly mixed his several roles together, so you have to spend time untangling…

WordPress' GPL license guarantees you access to the code and specific rights. It doesn't guarantee you access to the the WordPress database repository of plugins and themes. WordPress could, in theory, make the repository free for access to all except larger hosting entities that put more of a strain on things, for which there is a fee or throttling. Possibly even indicating this within the WordPress admin UI which f…

w.org infra was said to be owned by the foundation for the community.

Automattic's lawyer told the community the same thing.

Volunteers built in to WordPress core dependence on W.Org infra on that understanding. there are over 1500 hardcoded references to W.org infra.

Now those volunteers find out it's "Matt's personal website" and he can do what he likes with it. Including banning volunteers who's livelihoods depend on it for nothing more than reacting to a post with a disproving emojji.

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