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43K fewer drivers on Manhattan roads after congestion pricing turned on

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Re: 43K fewer drivers on Manhattan roads after congestion pricing turned on

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Post by mensetmanusman »

dottjt wrote: post #35
BenFranklin100 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is a good example of the type of narrow minded progressive thinking that has held back good public policy like congestion pricing and carbon taxes. Both of these programs are criticized as being regressive. The criticism neglects to take into consideration the society wide benefits like more efficient bus travel or cleaner air that preferentially help the less well off.

I agree with your rebuttal in response to that other person's comment, but ultimately I do think those programs are regressive for the poor, at this very point in time. I guess the question becomes, should those poorest suffer for the betterment of all future generations? I would personally say no.

The poor will benefit from less lung cancer inducing smoke.

Re: 43K fewer drivers on Manhattan roads after congestion pricing turned on

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Post by geogod42 »

modeless wrote: post #77
jmward01 wrote: post #38

Roads in cities are such a waste of space. A long time ago I did a quick survey of SF and found something like 20% of the land was dedicated to cars. Some articles from people here that talk about this [1] [2] [3]. That is the most subsidized land on the planet but people don't think of it that way. They think roads are free so any tax to use them is wrong. That space could be helping out the city in so many ways but…

Roads are useful, but what I really think we should get rid of is parking lots. When cars can drive themselves we should build over all the lots and knock down the garages. The cars can spend the day on the road and the night parked outside the city. There should be zero parked inside the city.

roads are dirty tho, n really expensive

Re: 43K fewer drivers on Manhattan roads after congestion pricing turned on

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Post by jon_richards »

btheunissen wrote: post #15
jefftk wrote: post #8

When I see things like: > Bus speeds also increased after the tolls were turned on. The Manhattan-bound B39 bus, which crosses the Williamsburg Bridge, ran 28% faster compared to a similar January week last year. Other buses like the SIM24 and and the M50 saw increases in speeds, as well. I wonder how much cherry picking there is. Did they give the B39 because it's the most improved? Or for some other reason (especia…

I wouldn’t be surprised if this was across the board for buses into lower Manhattan/around bridges into Manhattan. When living in cities I usually use both buses and trains but when living in NYC I tried to avoid buses when possible as you are at the behest of an insane amount of traffic usually; meaning you can’t reliably be places on time if you are using the bus.

I like the theory of traffic that basically says traffic will always make the best mode of transportation as bad as the second best.

The problem with buses is that car traffic can never be bad enough to make cars worse than buses. Buses are doomed to always be worse than cars unless they have dedicated lanes or parking is unbearable. So cars slow down to equal the metro system, bikes, ferries, etc.

A dedicated bus lane can speed up cars more than another car lane because it pulls traffic off the road until driving convenience equals bus convenience.

Re: 43K fewer drivers on Manhattan roads after congestion pricing turned on

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jmward01 wrote: post #38

Roads in cities are such a waste of space. A long time ago I did a quick survey of SF and found something like 20% of the land was dedicated to cars. Some articles from people here that talk about this [1] [2] [3]. That is the most subsidized land on the planet but people don't think of it that way. They think roads are free so any tax to use them is wrong. That space could be helping out the city in so many ways but…

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Re: 43K fewer drivers on Manhattan roads after congestion pricing turned on

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Post by sergiotapia »

nine_k wrote: post #36
sergiotapia wrote: post #29

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The number of traffic deaths is far higher than of victims of any psychos.

No one should be forced by the government to suffer these people.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDqZ9M0u-Kc/?igsh=MTRuY3c3ZHd...

Re: 43K fewer drivers on Manhattan roads after congestion pricing turned on

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Post by hackernewds »

iambateman wrote: post #22

Some numbers don’t make sense here… They’re saying a 7% reduction is 43k cars, which infers 550k daily trips into the city. But they think they can make $500M/year. At $9 per trip, that’s only 150k tolls daily. (500M / 365 / $9). In any case, I’m glad it seems to be working. Congestion pricing has the potential to do a lot of good in this country.

Not driving is gonna make the drivers happier? A lot of good, depends on who you are really

Re: 43K fewer drivers on Manhattan roads after congestion pricing turned on

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Post by Daishiman »

jonathan_landy wrote: post #73
jmward01 wrote: post #38

Roads in cities are such a waste of space. A long time ago I did a quick survey of SF and found something like 20% of the land was dedicated to cars. Some articles from people here that talk about this [1] [2] [3]. That is the most subsidized land on the planet but people don't think of it that way. They think roads are free so any tax to use them is wrong. That space could be helping out the city in so many ways but…

I like to drive. Edit: see also this pro-car, pro-toll note by Bryan Caplan. https://www.betonit.ai/p/cars-could-be-even-more-convenient

This is a non-informational take which is just ahistorical, as evidenced by the fact that just 30 years a lot of European cities were very much car-centric and were much more awful by pretty much every metric than they are today.
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