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WordPress Is in Trouble

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Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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Post by pluc »

beshrkayali wrote: post #64

I really think Matt is suffering from some sort of a mental breakdown. It’s a sad situation and there’s a lot to learn about open source projects with a huge user base and where the bottle necks exist. But I think people who know or are close to him should seriously consider an intervention. I can’t believe after two decades he’d just decide to throw it all out in a blazing fire and tarnish his reputation (and Wordpr…

There is nobody left to disagree with him, he made sure of that. Disagreeing with him at this point means he's gonna come after you [1], your job [2] or your reputation [3].

1. https://ma.tt/2024/10/on-dhh/

2. https://kindness.is/examples/2010/mullenweg-the-coward/

3. https://ma.tt/2024/12/inc-hit-piece/

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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Post by moralestapia »

prepend wrote: post #95
internetter wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider a static site. They cannot be hacked, they are cheaper to host, and once the files are generated they are immutable

They can certainly be hacked, just like any static site. Web servers have vulnerabilities. And the files can certainly be edited as they aren’t immutable. They are less resource intensive and easier to maintain, but aren’t immune. (Running mostly static sites converted from Wordpress sites, but also running 10 year old+ word press sites that haven’t been changed in forever)

Good luck hacking an html file served through nginx.

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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Post by Saris »

huijzer wrote: post #19

Hopefully many sites will switch to a static site generator like Hugo or Zola. Way lower costs, lower risk of being hacked (almost impossible actually), and a reliable backup thanks to Git. I’m running multiple static sites for years already and am very happy with it. It has been very reliable.

I don't think many will, those are far too difficult to use compared to WP which most people use because its so easy.

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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Post by kemayo »

treyd wrote: post #32

WordPress is a very mature project with a long legacy but I'm surprised that there hasn't been a larger profile attempt to make a spiritual successor to it that can shake the baggage of being PHP and the long history of vulns that have come along with it. I'm imagining some very pluggable and template driven runtime that you can ship very declarative packages for. The spicy take would be to use a Scheme for the templ…

> shake the baggage of being PHP

PHP is why WordPress was a success. PHP is available basically everywhere, for cheap. You can get a $5/month hosting plan that'll give you a VPS with mod_php and mysql and you'll be able to install WordPress. (Also, WordPress put some actual effort into having a quick-and-simple setup process. If you can upload some files onto a server, it can take it from there.) Thus anyone can trivially install WordPress.

There's "better" languages, but even today they tend to require more of you to get a working site deployed.

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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Post by llm_trw »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #110
dangrossman wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's a mental breakdown, I think this is a (poorly executed) long pivot into Matt's companies having tighter control over the ecosystem and keeping more of the profits from hosting, plugin and theme sales. He's burning down "the community" on purpose. In a couple years, it'll be run more like Shopify, where the theme store and app store only list products that run their billing through Shopify and give…

One reason that Reddit's API changes killing the best clients was so poisonous is that the resulting non-exodus showed other companies that they can take user-hostile actions with impunity. A big enough mass of passive and undiscerning users will stay no matter what. Hence there being more freedom to take a strategy like this.

Reddit has been user hostile since 2014. It's just that as long as you hurt one part of the community the other parts hate you're fine.

The mods are universally hated on reddit and they were the ones most impacted by the changes. The average user either didn't notice or stopped getting automatically banned for joining the wrong subreddits.

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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Post by MattDaEskimo »

beshrkayali wrote: post #64

I really think Matt is suffering from some sort of a mental breakdown. It’s a sad situation and there’s a lot to learn about open source projects with a huge user base and where the bottle necks exist. But I think people who know or are close to him should seriously consider an intervention. I can’t believe after two decades he’d just decide to throw it all out in a blazing fire and tarnish his reputation (and Wordpr…

Parasocial sympathetic deflection at its finest.

This is a childish emperor tantrum, stressing everybody beneath him for petty cause.

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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Post by KolmogorovComp »

> The problem is that Mullenweg has final say over some very important parts of the WordPress community

> THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND (…)

I think the real issue is people being fooled with the false concept of ‘community’, times and times again.

Communities do not exist in practice. What you have is a vast pool of users (in this case I also include plugin and theme devs), and a minority of core contributors, which are either individuals or companies, usually both. Those are driving the project forward and making decisions.

This distribution can be applied to many open-source softwares, but also projects like mozilla, wikipedia, etc.

People do not understand to what extend the no-guarantee of FOSS software is applicable. All your projects can be broken from a day to the next and you cannot expect any compensation.

But that’s ok because you got the software for free, right?

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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Post by jdeibele »

huijzer wrote: post #19

Hopefully many sites will switch to a static site generator like Hugo or Zola. Way lower costs, lower risk of being hacked (almost impossible actually), and a reliable backup thanks to Git. I’m running multiple static sites for years already and am very happy with it. It has been very reliable.

I set up several websites for non-profits of various types. The thing that WordPress.com has going for it is better security (updates applied promptly), lower pricing than dedicated WP accounts at DreamHost, etc. (typically these kind of providers low-ball the first year), usable by non-technical users, etc.

Trying to teach people to use Git to push an update seems difficult. And teaching them Markdown. And dealing with images.

someorg.wordpress.com is not as nice as someorg.com but there's no domain to be not renewed. There's levels of privileges, etc.

Re: WordPress Is in Trouble

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Post by mjmsmith »

throwup238 wrote: post #62
mrtksn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

right, let’s try again: Did he drink THAT psychoactive wine?

It’s more like a two stage tea made of an MAOI (the first type of antidepressant developed) and psychoactive tryptamines. Eight ball yoda says… bad trip sitter he did seek, hmm?

The machine elves need to unionize.
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