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Re: Ask HN: A friend has brain cancer: any bio hacks that worked?

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↑This. Stop. No. Don't go down the false hope path. It's cruel AF and puts off acceptance, wasting time that they can put to better use post acceptance. Maybe let your friend explore what they want to do and you just give support. Celebrate what they celebrate and cry with them when they cry. Find(or better make) them some comfy/cute hats. If you want to research the things about the hospital, the procedures they are…

I guess hope can be false now.

If I let playing the lottery change how I interact with the world/prevent me from dealing with my situation, because I hope I will win, that 'hope' is a negative impact on my life.

If I encourage my friend who is down on their luck to buy lottery tickets so they can have hope, am I helping them, am I being kind?

Re: Ask HN: A friend has brain cancer: any bio hacks that worked?

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I agree that the probability of a desired outcome is valuable information. But to call being unaware of this information “false hope” is a blight on our language. Hope is hope. It’s quite proven that believing a certain outcome is likely increases the likelihood of that outcome.

> to call being unaware of this information “false hope” is a blight on our language False hope is still a form of hope in the same way a red car is still a car. And it’s useful to delineate it. Hope is rooted in expectation. When we watch a film about a fraudster, the dramatic irony arises from the audience knowing the rube is being played even while the rube is quite hopeful. We may conclude it’s better for the vic…

If false hope is still hope the way a red car is a car, then false also has no meaning in this context. Would a false car still be a car?

I agree people should be informed and manage their expectations. My issue is that it’s a terrible expression that gets misapplied constantly.

Re: Ask HN: A friend has brain cancer: any bio hacks that worked?

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I am currently getting treated for Folicular Lymphoma, so I've been looking into complementary treatments for myself.

I saw a video on youtube -- wait, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikSlMlMFS7M -- from a medical journal former editor / writer guy who cured his throat cancer or maybe it was skin cancer, but he talked about both, with topical treatments using food grade hydrogen peroxide (h2o2). (I forgot the strength he used -- maybe 35%. But do not swallow this stuff -- very harmful to ingest, only apply it topically at specific points.) Anyway he was talking about brain tumors and how for some kinds there are no good treatment options and he conjectured that injecting these kind of brain tumors with the 35%(?) h2o2 could wipe them out. This is because most cancer cells are highly susceptible to h2o2 (way more than normal cells) A brain surgeon could do this using imaging guidance, etc.

Maybe you can find a surgeon who is already doing this type of treatment in a trial perhaps.

Three other options:

1. High dose vitamin C via IV. At very high doses, Vitamin C can wipe out cancer cells via multiple mechanisms. One of these is because VitC generates ozone in the cancer cells which destroys them in a similar method as if they had been dosed with h2o2.

2a. Get into ketosis via diet -- can selectively cause cancer cell death -- something to do with mitochondria metabolism changes in cancer cells. But, getting into ketosis is super difficult.

2b. Get into ketosis by supplementing with MCT (medium chain triglycerides) from coconut oil. The C8 component of this type of oil seems to have the strongest ketosis results. C8 MCT is processed by your liver and converted into ketones. Much easier than a keto diet.

3. Follow the Gerson therapy -- https://gerson.org/the-gerson-therapy/ -- lots of fresh pressed mostly veggie juices as the main component of the diet along with other things. This can also mimic a fast (another way to selectively kill cancer cells).

I'm doing 1, 2b, and starting to do 3 for myself. None of these are expensive and they are all very safe to do and you can do 2 and 3 at home.

I live near Chicago and I'm getting standard treatment at Illinois Cancer Specialists in Niles and the IVC treatments from Raden Wellness in Highwood. I'm working with an MD Oncologist and a Naturopathic Oncologist. So far so good!

Best of luck to your friend!!!

Re: Ask HN: A friend has brain cancer: any bio hacks that worked?

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There is no diet that will even intervene with cancer, unless the patient dies. Cancer is the patient's own cell that has mutated to a point beyond apoptosis and adapted to be able to draw nutrients from cells around it. It started from just one cell. It has already evaded dietary fluctuations and adapted. EDIT: the reason I'm a spaz about this is I feel too many people focus on diet as the focus of cancer. While it…

I'm with you on this: Anyone that rejects clinically studied treatments in favor of "alternative" treatments is an idiot. That said, the keto diet is being studied clinically and preliminary research does seem to indicate that it has an effect. So it may be an "in addition to" treatment. That said, the news isn't entirely good: https://www.cancer.columbia.edu/news/study-finds-keto-diet-c... The bottom line is ask you…

I did. Diet is not going to cure cancer, but they want us to eat well to survive treatments.

Re: Ask HN: A friend has brain cancer: any bio hacks that worked?

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Elsewhere in the thread I argue why efficient market hypothesis arguments are unlikely to fully apply in this case.

I think your argument is that developing cancer treatments is really hard and the clinical trial process has problems. I can believe it. Do you think the mainstream epistemological process produces more false negatives or more false positives? What's the proportion of cases where a chemist finds a compound that really works, but the process incorrectly rules it out, vs cases where something that doesn't really do muc…

TBC I have no reason to believe that Big Pharma is deliberately withholding effective treatments it knows about so much as making (understandable) decisions not to investigate them in the first place. The total addressable market of a potential therapy is a central consideration for target selection-- you're roughly trying to maximize patient population times marginal willingness to pay over the standard of care. I don't think there's anything nefarious about this btw, you have to do what makes the greatest difference.

But that does mean that if you have a hyper-specific rare disease, the person who is willing to spend the most time thinking about it may very well be you. Or if you're living far from a major hospital and getting treated by a generalist with a heavy case load, you might be the most invested person within 500 miles of you, which is almost the same thing but better because you can still read the literature.

I wouldn't encourage the average patient to try doing rational drug design in their garage, but one could ask: "are there things that look promising that are still a year out from clinical trials?" and think about how to DIY some approximation to that.

At the extreme end of this spectrum, you have people like Beata Halassy who did just that, treating her own cancer with DIY viral therapy (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03647-0, and please do note all the finger-wagging about how terrible and irresponsible of her it was to save her own life). Why did she have to do that instead of just going to a doctor? Because the route to the clinic is too slow. Why is the route to the clinic too slow? Because FDA has the institutional incentives that it's better that ten thousand patients die for lack of a cure than one die of quackery. Why's that? Because the FDA gets penalized for bad treatments but not for treatments that don't exist. But I say that dying of lack of a cure is not much better than dying of quackery, so we might as well minimize total deaths.

At the somewhat less extreme end, you have ideas like trying to treat GBM with Zika virus, which has a sketch of a mechanistic explanation and some support in animal models, but afaict no clinical trials yet (https://clinicaltrials.gov/search?cond=GBM&intr=Zika). Is this a cure for GBM? Complete BS? Something in between? I have no idea, which is kind of my point-- no one knows yet. Regulators probably aren't that jazzed about signing off on giving neurotropic viruses to immunocompromised patients without a lot of prior evidence that will give them cover for making that call if something goes wrong (which it totally might!). But an individual patient might look at that question with a different set of incentives.

Or consider psychiatric treatment of various mental illnesses. The best and most honest psychs I know will tell you that, past a certain point, responsiveness to a given drug is idiosyncratic and the state of the art is really just "try a bunch of stuff until something works", without much concern for hypotheses about underlying mechanisms. Is that rational medicine or bro science? Something in between, I think. And is it possible that there are behavioral protocols that help one particular schizophrenia patient to manage their quality of life better than the standard of care as defined for the entire population? Given that no one really agrees about what schizophrenia even is, this seems not totally impossible.

And then at the other end of the spectrum you basically have lifestyle interventions, as you note. Almost everyone agrees that certain of these are good for you, but some are really difficult to implement and adhere to. It seems reasonable to self-experiment with those things.

Re: Ask HN: A friend has brain cancer: any bio hacks that worked?

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There is no diet that will even intervene with cancer, unless the patient dies. Cancer is the patient's own cell that has mutated to a point beyond apoptosis and adapted to be able to draw nutrients from cells around it. It started from just one cell. It has already evaded dietary fluctuations and adapted. EDIT: the reason I'm a spaz about this is I feel too many people focus on diet as the focus of cancer. While it…

Are you sure about this? There is data to back it up in The China Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study and mentioned in the Forks over Knives documentary. That's more about prevention, but it has a measurable impact on cancer rates, I don't see how that could be classified as no impact.

The book has been debated.

https://www.redpenreviews.org/reviews/the-china-study-the-mo...

If diet stopped cancer, then the patients who eat less would see noticeable effect. This has never happened, except for maybe Otto Warburg, but even that is disputable[1].

[1] https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/JP278810

Re: Ask HN: A friend has brain cancer: any bio hacks that worked?

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Fuck ivermectin and fuck you for even suggesting it. It doesn't work on cancer, end of discussion. It works by paralyzing worms on ion channel that humans DON'T have.

Do you have a source for this? The linked study claims it has potential.

Did you even read the links posted? The study for ivermectin states everything is speculation. So why is anyone challenging me when they didn't read the studies?

>> Unfortunately, there have been no reports of clinical trials of IVM as an anticancer drug. There are still some problems that need to be studied and resolved before IVM is used in the clinic.

The method of action of ivermectin is well known. Lots of articles state it works against COVID-19, but clinical trials have proven this to be false. Yet people still cling FOOLISHLY to that idea, and now creeping into cancer. But, it's GREAT against parasites!

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S022352342...

>> What is important, ivermectin does not cross the blood-brain barrier, and therefore, does not affect mammals, including humans, in which GABA receptors are located mainly in the central nervous system. Nevertheless, accumulation of ivermectin in the human brain has been observed after administration of doses about 100 times higher than the recommended one.

Re: Ask HN: A friend has brain cancer: any bio hacks that worked?

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I can recommend Lenox Hill on Netflix if you or them have not already seen it, pretty interesting watching doctors operate on and care for GBM patients - https://www.netflix.com/title/80201728 I have to imagine those doctors are still there doing this, it's been their life's work.

Also a good book on Cancer in general - Chris Beat Cancer - https://www.amazon.com/Chris-Beat-Cancer-Comprehensive-Natur... I enjoyed the read even though I don't think juicing can cure cancer. They mentioned studies where cancer cells were shrinking after dripping different juices onto them. It's mostly about eating your fruits and vegetables. The dude survived cancer without going through your typical Chemo.

He had his tumor surgically removed. Juicing didn't cure him.

Re: Ask HN: A friend has brain cancer: any bio hacks that worked?

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I have heard some people having luck by switching to a ketogenic diet. Here’s a paper I could find on PubMed about this. Sorry to hear about your friend. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9504425/ Edit: I am not a doctor. My wife is a physician and I spoke to her before posting this.

If diet could stop cancer, we'd be done by now. I guarantee every cancer will mutate to overcome any change in diet you can throw at it.

> Effect of fasting on cancer: A narrative review of scientific evidence

> Emerging evidence suggests that fasting could play a key role in cancer treatment by fostering conditions that limit cancer cells' adaptability, survival, and growth. Fasting could increase the effectiveness of cancer treatments and limit adverse events. Yet, we lack an integrated mechanistic model for how these two complicated systems interact, limiting our ability to understand, prevent, and treat cancer using fasting. Here, we review recent findings at the interface of oncology and fasting metabolism, with an emphasis on human clinical studies of intermittent fasting. We recommend combining prolonged periodic fasting with a standard conventional therapeutic approach to promote cancer-free survival, treatment efficacy and reduce side effects in cancer patients.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35848874/

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