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How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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While it's really interesting to debate whether you should eat potatoes or beef, the real battle for the western world is that we stop eating processed foods. Wheat vs eggs seems like a silly debate when people are living off of Coke, Oreos and Capt'N Crunch. Whenever I hear these arguments, I feel like these scientists aren't living in the same world as me. "Eggs are ok, declare scientists" reads the headline while…

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Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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post #69

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> The main thing I notice about fat people is they eat very often Probably because they're hungry a lot. The more weight you put on, the more food you need to eat. The funny thing is that snacking can actually help you lose weight, and is actually recommended by many fitness gurus and bodybuilders. It helps keep your energy levels constant during the day, and also avoids hunger pangs, plus the associated over eating…

> protein shakes Why not just eat meat? Sure, protein shakes might be digested faster, but I'm against processed, I'm for natural. Who knows what essential nutrient is missing in these shakes that comes for free with meat.

or the opposite though right? who knows what deleterious compound comes free with meat?

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

#113
post #36

While it's really interesting to debate whether you should eat potatoes or beef, the real battle for the western world is that we stop eating processed foods. Wheat vs eggs seems like a silly debate when people are living off of Coke, Oreos and Capt'N Crunch. Whenever I hear these arguments, I feel like these scientists aren't living in the same world as me. "Eggs are ok, declare scientists" reads the headline while…

Observations aside, there is actually scientific evidence to the contrary. The fact is that our bodies require certain types of fats (omega3, omega6, etc..) in order to function properly. Your body is built to break down fats, this is why you have a gall bladder. Diets low in animal fats (not ala omega3's and 6's, which your body has to break down and consequently only gets a very small percentage of usable omegas) cause the body to more easily synthesize fat from other sources, most notably carbohydrates. Diets high in carbs trigger leptin signaling surges which can cause averse reactions like your brain no longer receiving leptin signals. "In Framingham, Massachusetts, the more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate,the lower people’s serum cholesterol. We found that the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, ate the most calories weighed the least and were the most physically active." [1].

If you want to have the best brain function (your brain is made up of mostly fats) and body function you should strongly consider cutting out gluten based foods (which interfere with so many things in a bad way [2]) and start eating grass fed and finished beef, and wild game with a side of veggies. Cut out as many tubers as you can get away with as well.

Foods that you cannot eat unless they are cooked are probably not the best for your diet, in my mind this makes perfectly logical sense. We are people of the ice age, our diets for many thousands of years consisted of what could be eaten raw, including meats. While we do not yet have a full understanding of the rate at which humanity evolves; it is understood that the core functioning of our bodies energy system can not completely change in the span of a few thousand years.

[1] Dr. William Castilli, "concerning the possibility of a nut...," archives of internal medicine [2] Journal: Neurology - Hadjivassiliou 2001

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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post #63
post #36

While it's really interesting to debate whether you should eat potatoes or beef, the real battle for the western world is that we stop eating processed foods. Wheat vs eggs seems like a silly debate when people are living off of Coke, Oreos and Capt'N Crunch. Whenever I hear these arguments, I feel like these scientists aren't living in the same world as me. "Eggs are ok, declare scientists" reads the headline while…

I've observed rather different things. The people I know who eat the most meat are the Crossfitters around me. They are, in almost all cases, healthy. I have a roommate who drinks fat-free milk and eats lots of salad and pasta, who avoids meat like the plague. He's been struggling with his weight for as long as I've known him. I drink coconut milk -- which contains nothing but fat -- and a meal usually consists of so…

Aah the pinger diet strikes again

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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> people who favor fruits and vegetables, grains and legumes over beef, pork and fatty foods are healthier I have two eyes and that doesn't square at all. The fat people eat packaged food and restaurant food, which are very skimpy on meat and real animal fat. The main thing I notice about fat people is they eat very often. Thin people eat moderate meals and don't snack. Fat people continuously have handfuls of crap l…

> The main thing I notice about fat people is they eat very often Probably because they're hungry a lot. The more weight you put on, the more food you need to eat. The funny thing is that snacking can actually help you lose weight, and is actually recommended by many fitness gurus and bodybuilders. It helps keep your energy levels constant during the day, and also avoids hunger pangs, plus the associated over eating…

Probably because they're hungry a lot. The more weight you put on, the more food you need to eat.

Also, I read that the more sugars you consume, the more you eat as it messes with your insulin and therefore your body does not signal that you are no longer hungry even though you've eaten enough. Can't remember where I read this, so if anyone has any citations or wants to correct me if I got it wrong, I'd appreciate that.

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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post #103

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Fruit is so artificially selected that it's high in sugar, and probably not as healthy as people think - if not eaten in moderation. I eat mainly wholefoods. My vices are probably beer and the odd bag of white flour. I'm pretty much sedentary (sat most of the day in front of computer.) A little overweight. I haven't been to the doctors for over 10 years. That's not to say I haven't got a few ailments. I certainly don…

Fruit is high in natural sugars, like anything you put in your body over consumption of more than your body needs or can handle will be stored as a fat for later use. The body is good at converting the natural sugars in to glycogen for muscle fuel. The problem is people are not using as much muscle movement (desk jobs - i'm in the same boat during the day, but I make sure I exercise in the evenings)to use up the glyc…

Fruit are also usually high in fiber, which I hear helps counteract the sugar.

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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post #63
post #36

While it's really interesting to debate whether you should eat potatoes or beef, the real battle for the western world is that we stop eating processed foods. Wheat vs eggs seems like a silly debate when people are living off of Coke, Oreos and Capt'N Crunch. Whenever I hear these arguments, I feel like these scientists aren't living in the same world as me. "Eggs are ok, declare scientists" reads the headline while…

I've observed rather different things. The people I know who eat the most meat are the Crossfitters around me. They are, in almost all cases, healthy. I have a roommate who drinks fat-free milk and eats lots of salad and pasta, who avoids meat like the plague. He's been struggling with his weight for as long as I've known him. I drink coconut milk -- which contains nothing but fat -- and a meal usually consists of so…

Weight is only one indicator of health. Gain or loss in weight is related purely to calorific intake, nothing to do with whether what you eat is good for you.

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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post #92

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So, because your body doesn't have the tendency to put on weight, you eat what you like. Your friends who tend to get fat easily watch what the y eat, but it's not helping them that much. This really sounds to me like there are great differences in metabolism person to person. I have always been skinny, and I eat a lot of whatever. I don't exercise much. I know people who are "big", but eat less than I do.

Unfortunately skinny does not imply healthy. I am also skinny with high metabolism, but that doesn't mean it's okay to eat whatever you want and forego exercise as your internals could be like those of a much older individual (heart, lungs, etc).

>>>Unfortunately skinny does not imply healthy.

Yes, this: Thin people can be fat on the inside http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18594089/ns/health-fitness/t/thi...

Doesn't matter how thin you are. Inside, your cardiac arteries can be clogged as hell.

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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post #63
post #36

While it's really interesting to debate whether you should eat potatoes or beef, the real battle for the western world is that we stop eating processed foods. Wheat vs eggs seems like a silly debate when people are living off of Coke, Oreos and Capt'N Crunch. Whenever I hear these arguments, I feel like these scientists aren't living in the same world as me. "Eggs are ok, declare scientists" reads the headline while…

I've observed rather different things. The people I know who eat the most meat are the Crossfitters around me. They are, in almost all cases, healthy. I have a roommate who drinks fat-free milk and eats lots of salad and pasta, who avoids meat like the plague. He's been struggling with his weight for as long as I've known him. I drink coconut milk -- which contains nothing but fat -- and a meal usually consists of so…

Weight gain is not because you have eaten the wrong food its due to too many calories. Simple as that.
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