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How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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Post by progrock »

tomp wrote: post #69
trustfundbaby wrote: post #62

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> The main thing I notice about fat people is they eat very often Probably because they're hungry a lot. The more weight you put on, the more food you need to eat. The funny thing is that snacking can actually help you lose weight, and is actually recommended by many fitness gurus and bodybuilders. It helps keep your energy levels constant during the day, and also avoids hunger pangs, plus the associated over eating…

> protein shakes Why not just eat meat? Sure, protein shakes might be digested faster, but I'm against processed, I'm for natural. Who knows what essential nutrient is missing in these shakes that comes for free with meat.

If you're not working to actively put on weight or keep it on and you live in the west, you probably don't really need to worry about protein. Even those on plant based diets can get enough.

http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=251

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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Post by spitx »

raverbashing wrote: post #77
spitx wrote: post #70

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Please refrain from making these anecdotal observations. Your observation is the equivalent of this from the movie "Get Him To The Greek": "British mother fu##ers don’t die. You ever heard of a British rock and roll star dying? No. They don’t die. Mick Jagger. Keith Richard. Those Led Zeppelin. Themmotherfu##ers old as fuck! Fu##ing Ozzy Osbourne is gonna outlive Miley Cyrus"

Please refrain from playing "know-it-all" every time someone writes an anecdote Also what is mentioned has been observed multiple times in several countries. "Anecdote is not data waa waa waa" or in your example, " No. They don’t die. Mick Jagger. Keith Richard" it certainly does not condone drug usage, but it certainly shows there are exception to "drugs are bad and you will die early" (especially given the amount c…

An informed observer would supplant his anecdote with a smidgen of studied data. My-grandfather-lived-to-be-99-and-hes-from-swine-country is spectacularly useless. Make an effort. Add detail. We are not demanding khi-square tests just some detail. Race, Geography, Family history, Rigor of vocation, Illnesses, Special abilities etc. No amount of detail will approach the rigor of a proper study. But make an effort.

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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Post by raverbashing »

spitx wrote: post #82
raverbashing wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please refrain from playing "know-it-all" every time someone writes an anecdote Also what is mentioned has been observed multiple times in several countries. "Anecdote is not data waa waa waa" or in your example, " No. They don’t die. Mick Jagger. Keith Richard" it certainly does not condone drug usage, but it certainly shows there are exception to "drugs are bad and you will die early" (especially given the amount c…

An informed observer would supplant his anecdote with a smidgen of studied data. My-grandfather-lived-to-be-99-and-hes-from-swine-country is spectacularly useless. Make an effort. Add detail. We are not demanding khi-square tests just some detail. Race, Geography, Family history, Rigor of vocation, Illnesses, Special abilities etc. No amount of detail will approach the rigor of a proper study. But make an effort.

That I agree. I have no idea what "swine country" is for a start

But "lived until 99" was not useless until very recently (in history terms)

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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Post by Blara »

bitsoda wrote: post #61

How about we all just eat real food? Stay in the perimeter of the super market -- with the exception of some canned fish -- and you should be okay. You can't go wrong with fruit, vegetables, meat, seafood, tubers, nuts, and seeds. As for wheat...come on, don't kid yourself. A refined white powder that is highly processed is not real food. Drink water, exercise a few times a week, and get some sun. If nothing else, li…

I do believe you can get fat even if you eat only "real food", the trick is to eat in moderation. If you eat more calories than you use up you will gain weight. It really is that easy. You could loose weight eating pastries only, just as long as you don't eat too much. It wouldn't be healthy though...

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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Post by progrock »

latch wrote: post #53
rubashov wrote: post #41

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> people who favor fruits and vegetables, grains and legumes over beef, pork and fatty foods are healthier I have two eyes and that doesn't square at all. The fat people eat packaged food and restaurant food, which are very skimpy on meat and real animal fat. The main thing I notice about fat people is they eat very often. Thin people eat moderate meals and don't snack. Fat people continuously have handfuls of crap l…

If nothing else, we agree that processed foods are the real problem. Maybe people who eat fruits, vegetables and legumes are simply more likely to avoid eating processed foods. I will challenge you on your last point. You seriously see a lot of fat people eating fruits and soy?!

Fruit is so artificially selected that it's high in sugar, and probably not as healthy as people think - if not eaten in moderation.

I eat mainly wholefoods. My vices are probably beer and the odd bag of white flour. I'm pretty much sedentary (sat most of the day in front of computer.) A little overweight.

I haven't been to the doctors for over 10 years. That's not to say I haven't got a few ailments. I certainly don't feel super healthy or anything. Though I did cycle 6 miles yesterday with no issue.

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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Post by progrock »

rubashov wrote: post #54
latch wrote: post #53

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If nothing else, we agree that processed foods are the real problem. Maybe people who eat fruits, vegetables and legumes are simply more likely to avoid eating processed foods. I will challenge you on your last point. You seriously see a lot of fat people eating fruits and soy?!

Absolutely. Fat white people in desk jobs eat handfuls of soy loaded trail mix in the afternoon, and an apple an hour before lunch. It's SWPL emotional eating.

There's a lot of talk of soy here on this thread. Is this a US thing? What soy are you eating? It's not that big in the UK. You can get soy milk and it's mixed in with some meat products and found in veggie burgers - but it's not that mainstream.

I buy frozen 'fresh' soybeans, which are quite hard to find. They're nice.

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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Post by seabee »

Blara wrote: post #84
bitsoda wrote: post #61

How about we all just eat real food? Stay in the perimeter of the super market -- with the exception of some canned fish -- and you should be okay. You can't go wrong with fruit, vegetables, meat, seafood, tubers, nuts, and seeds. As for wheat...come on, don't kid yourself. A refined white powder that is highly processed is not real food. Drink water, exercise a few times a week, and get some sun. If nothing else, li…

I do believe you can get fat even if you eat only "real food", the trick is to eat in moderation. If you eat more calories than you use up you will gain weight. It really is that easy. You could loose weight eating pastries only, just as long as you don't eat too much. It wouldn't be healthy though...

Case in point: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.profes...

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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Post by progrock »

latch wrote: post #46
unreal37 wrote: post #39

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You should read the book "Wheat Belly". That will bust that myth about grains and fruits for you.

You missed my point..for every 1 scientist that says "fruits are bad", I'll find you 1 or more that says "eat more fruits!" That this scientist's views comes in book form doesn't change anything, and whatever graphs and studies he uses will only confuse me because someone saying the exact opposite will use equally impressive graphs and studies. Watching nutrition experts is like watching economist...they can each pro…

Agree it's a minefield. And it's pretty surprising that the human digestive system isn't better charted.

To me it seems that the modern human diet is the most peculiarly unatural thing. It might also be the recipe for human intelligence and longer living.

I'm worried about the adverse effects of some foods.

Bowel cancer is somewhat preventative and food related: http://cancerhelp.cancerresearchuk.org/type/bowel-cancer/abo...

Re: How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

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Post by seabee »

enjo wrote: post #43
schultkl wrote: post #37

I defer to Walter C. Willet, M.D., who writes in "Eat, Drink, and Be Healthy" (co-developed with the Harvard School of Public Health): "There's no question that two types of fat -- saturated fat, the kind that's abundant in whole milk or red meat, and trans fats, which are found in many margarines and vegetable shortenings -- contribute to the artery-clogging process that leads to heart disease, stroke, and other pro…

The more interesting debate is about overall health outcomes. Even the most ardent low-cholestrol folks are forced to admit that this link between higher LDL (particularly the big "fluffy" stuff) and heart disease exists. There are two really interesting things, however. 1. The link between dietary saturated fats and increased LDL isn't nearly as strong as those earlier studies suggest. This is certainly supported by…

> I eat more fruits and vegetables and I've drastically cut my sugar intake.

Fruits are quite sugary - do you limit yourself to one, two portions a day? Is fructose 'better' than sucrose/HFCS?

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