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Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Their response on face value doesn't make sense. But if I had to guess, you inadvertently made someone in the registrar's office look bad. They probably had to answer to "why didn't you think of this?" If that is the case then it makes a lot more sense and is retaliatory behavior. You can't undo their insecurity and loss of face. Therefore you should not expect a reasonable response. Act accordingly. Educate yourself…

> And if you have to walk away it won't hurt you too much in the long term. After about 5 years in industry nearly all companies stop caring about credentials. That is very wrong, in my experience. Many jobs require college degrees; much status in life requires college degrees. I know people who are smart, successful, and eternally embarrassed when that comes up. Also, you did the work, you deserve the degree - a col…

Certainly jobs will say they require a college degree.

I have three and a half years of a five year degree in computer engineering. My current job as a VP of Engineering "requires" a degree. The language in the job description is very clear.

Guess what? That's always negotiable with enough experience.

If you can talk intelligently about your subject matter in depth and you can demonstrate a history of that, then you're fine.

A degree doesn't magically make you a gifted programmer. It merely shows you where to start. You still need a lifetime of self guided continual education to be really successful in your career.

I think where it hurt me most was early in my career where I likely earned less than I would have with a degree.

This will likely become harder to do with time as computer science and hardware slow their ever changing advancement and become more established.

By all means get the degree if you can. But you can still over come not having one with enough self study and being strategic about which jobs you take.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their response on face value doesn't make sense. But if I had to guess, you inadvertently made someone in the registrar's office look bad. They probably had to answer to "why didn't you think of this?" If that is the case then it makes a lot more sense and is retaliatory behavior. You can't undo their insecurity and loss of face. Therefore you should not expect a reasonable response. Act accordingly. Educate yourself…

Yeah, let me give some perspective here. There's somebody in the registrar's office whose job is to be responsible for the production process of registration. They are minimally staffed and given just enough resources to run that process. Likely at some point their leadership told them they had to make an API so that they could integrate with other systems. Due to poor funding and lack of skills, just doing that is a…

> Yeah, let me give some perspective here.

This is spot on and way more likely than my contrived example. The point holds this is political as all things are in University environments.

Another interesting observation I made from my time working at a University is that it was one of the most toxic and political work environments I've ever had the displeasure to work in.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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^ This. You need a trusted advisor on your side who can look at it with a calm mind and perspective on what is normal, acceptable, and legal. You're young and have been slapped around, seemingly inappropriately. If you were in physical pain, you'd talk to a doctor to assess and get recommendations before treatment. Do the same here.

Trusted advisor doesn't need to be lawyer. Can be trusted professor.

No, you need someone who will represent YOUR interests both in public and private.

When the stakes are exceptionally high, don't ask for advice from someone paid by the agressor.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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If you had managed to build this system during my time at UW, I know for a fact that I and dozens of other students would have happily paid hundreds of dollars to use your project. The class and reservation system there was (and presumably is?) incredibly broken. I remember literally the only way to get a spot reserved in some /mandatory/ courses was to find an upper classman with prioritized registration dates and a…

That system sounds so incredibly broken and exploitative. I'm sure it's a complete accident that the upshot is that some number of students have to spend tens of thousands extending their studies.

It absolutely is, especially realizing that a significant percentage of the applicants to these programs are international students, who have tuition fees 5x that of local students, and who have really no choice but to pay for another year of studies in order to reapply to their intended majors, or have wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars and multiple years.

I am obviously jaded, after spending 2 years of tuition there, only to be rejected from my intended major, and told to spend the next year re-taking classes.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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> One half of me is sympathetic with you, the other wonders whether you're trying to get attention for a job (this is how the end of your LinkedIn post makes it sound). Why not both. I hire, and it crossed my mind to reach out to him when I read the ending. The project shows ambition and independent thought, two virtues in my book. He's smart to leverage the attention. Might as well get some benefit out of the univer…

I'm not sure whether I can trust the story as he presents it. The fact that he might be out for attention is a reason to have doubts, because he might have made the case look more extreme than it is so it trends better. There are a couple of other question marks: - Says he'll graduate this year, but he's only started at UW 1.5y ago, his project team mates also started 1.5y ago, so the course does not seem to be super…

> 1.5y vs 4y

That's pretty common. Details vary, but having 1-3y of credit you can transfer in and then only having to stick it out for 1-3y to navigate the maze of upper-level course requirements happens all the time.

In my case, MN heavily subsidized AP and CLEP tests at the time and didn't require you to take the class to take the test. A couple heavy weeks of testing later, and 2yrs of college was banged out. Toss in the fact that the credit cap per semester is just a guideline the dean is happy to override, and finishing early is all but guaranteed.

A hundred or so of my high-school classmates had other paths to similar endings. They took AP courses almost exclusively in HS, and their last year or two they'd spend a lot of their HS getting dual credit from a local community college. They all started with at least a year done, usually much more.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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If the university offers an API then it's not a "scrape". If you're describing unauthorized use of an API then you've disclosed a possible CFAA violation, not web scraping.

I have no idea how they do it, and I don't care if they're breaking the CFAA; Neither are my problem. Though they do claim to obtain at least some of their information using an API, so if it's the word "scrape" you take issue with in the post, perhaps "queries" is a better fit.

It's no skin off my back if they're violating it, just clarifying that was what you could be describing. Considering this post is about a student facing expulsion, what you were saying could lead the developers to worse outcomes.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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I'm sorry... what? Trading class registrations is cheating the system, and is not going to inherently be looked at as a good thing just because it's "entrepreneurial" to make an app for it.

Maybe if it were a high school student doing it, but making an app as a college student is not some impressive thing only prodigy students can do.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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> And if you have to walk away it won't hurt you too much in the long term. After about 5 years in industry nearly all companies stop caring about credentials. That is very wrong, in my experience. Many jobs require college degrees; much status in life requires college degrees. I know people who are smart, successful, and eternally embarrassed when that comes up. Also, you did the work, you deserve the degree - a col…

Certainly jobs will say they require a college degree. I have three and a half years of a five year degree in computer engineering. My current job as a VP of Engineering "requires" a degree. The language in the job description is very clear. Guess what? That's always negotiable with enough experience. If you can talk intelligently about your subject matter in depth and you can demonstrate a history of that, then you'…

You are an anecodotal example, and no matter what is generally true about the IT industry, we can always find anecdotal counterexamples on HN because there are so many IT people here.

Many places won't look at you or will downgrade your application without a college degree, and data shows earnings are clearly less (as you say).

I'm truly glad things are going well for you. It's not the only thing in life, but if someone is a quarter away from getting one they'd be crazy to walk away.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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A college like UW may have sports revenue on order of $300M, much of which goes to the university, and means students may pay less than if there were no sports. Dig carefully through UW finances, which are usually public record. Paying a coach whose program is a massive profit center enough to have a team of quality enough to land bigger TV deals may be a financial benefit.

I always see people saying that sports is financially positive on its own, but my actual experience is a ~10% tuition hike to subsidize sports expansion, so ...

Without knowing how much sports revenue offsets tuition, which I just showed you how to investigate, your 10% anecdote from millions of college students is irrelevant. It’s both possible sports offsets your tuition by 30%, and later you saw a 10% raise, but until you compute that initial offset your 10% gripe is meaningless.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Don't mention a lawyer casually. Just have the lawyer send a letter. Don't give them the option to call your bluff. People casually mention a lawyer so frequently it means nothing. Receiving a letter from an actual lawyer means everything.

Having a lawyer send a letter isn't an automatic win. Once you turn it into a legal threat you force them to escalate to their legal team. Reasonable lawyers would likely roll their eyes and talk the university back from this weird move, but you're not guaranteed reasonable lawyers on the other end. If they feel threatened they might start looking even deeper into into contracts you signed as a way to protect themsel…

It's now been picked up by the local news stations.

https://www.king5.com/article/tech/university-of-washington-...

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