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Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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I'm pretty sure that the (presumed) father would be heavily invested in his kid, regardless of whether or not he gave him a job while he was in HS. Certainly we should look at someone else's (especially a relative's) corroboration of the story with some skepticism; ideally we could see the emails themselves. But really, OP should contact a lawyer ASAP.

Right, but I do think that the fact that he gave his son a job in high school makes his testimony even more unreliable than a typical parental relationship. Maybe the kid really is that good, but it's more likely that the dad was willing to sacrifice a bit of his company's time to support his son. That's not a decision that every father would make—not even every supportive father—so I think it's relevant here.

> Maybe the kid really is that good, but it's more likely that the dad was willing to sacrifice a bit of his company's time to support his son.

I haven't looked to see what position the son has at his father's business or the nature of the business itself so I can't comment on specifics. I will say, however, that it isn't uncommon for parents to employ their kids under the table for below market wage commensurate with their lack of experience. If a job gets half done for a quarter of the cost (no taxes, benefits, etc) then for many people it's a win, not to mention that the employer/parent has a captive employee and the employee/kid has early job history and walking around money.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Jeez, somebody not going immediately full mental meltdown fully public for reason X Y Z should be immediately dismissed. You have 0 info about him or his life, so it would be wiser to stop passing clueless judgements.

OP wanted this scrutiny and is using it to advertise himself to employers. Any analysis, criticism, or doubt is what he asked for. He should "show receipts" (emails at least) if he wants people to take his word for it.

While I agree that by going public on LinkedIn and HN scrutiny is fair game, he might still not want the scrutiny and/or be surprised by it.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Right, but I do think that the fact that he gave his son a job in high school makes his testimony even more unreliable than a typical parental relationship. Maybe the kid really is that good, but it's more likely that the dad was willing to sacrifice a bit of his company's time to support his son. That's not a decision that every father would make—not even every supportive father—so I think it's relevant here.

> Maybe the kid really is that good, but it's more likely that the dad was willing to sacrifice a bit of his company's time to support his son. I haven't looked to see what position the son has at his father's business or the nature of the business itself so I can't comment on specifics. I will say, however, that it isn't uncommon for parents to employ their kids under the table for below market wage commensurate wit…

It's also not uncommon for many parents to employ their kids over the table at exactly or above market rate and let the kid develop experience and get paid at the expense of the parent's other employees. This is legal in most cases, but that doesn't mean that every parent would do it—I personally would steer well clear of this kind of arrangement to avoid even the appearance of nepotism.

With either type of arrangement, I think it does tell you something about the parent-child relationship, which in turn does influence how you should take the parent's testimony.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Seconding this. It's entirely likely the registrar is this petty and boneheaded. It's less likely that their boss is though, this is a really bad look for the university. Personally I would find a way to contact the president of the university (possibly through university PR, who also care about public image) and simply state, "The registrar is asking me for quid pro quo, that I develop software for them in exchange…

> reneg on your half of the "deal". deny, delay, defect. and don't sign anything!!

> and don't sign anything!!

This. If asked to sign anything, say that you have to check with your attorney first.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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If they didn't want people trading registrations why not just... not allow them to trade reservations? I can't trade plane tickets, and that isn't because of some implied threat.

The "trading" is all out of band, the system only sees one person drop their registration and another person fill the slot. When someone drops a class, the opening becomes available immediately, so you coordinate a time well after the registration rush has died down for one person to click "drop" and the other to refresh the page and click "register". At least that's how it worked when I did it 20 years ago. It was r…

So have a queue?

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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> I know for a fact that I and dozens of other students would have happily paid hundreds of dollars to use your project Is this normal in the US, that students have high enough disposable income that they would be able to pay "hundreds of dollars" to use a webapp to swap classes with each other? Or is this school uniquely one for the more well-off kids out there? Remembering my time when my friends were in university…

I haven't been in university in over 20 years, but when I was, I absolutely did not have hundreds of dollars to throw around for things to make my life more convenient. Certainly some of my peers did, but they were not in the majority.

Convenience was not a factor. If you were unable to sign up for some of these courses, you would be barred from advancing in your studies. These were things like prerequisites for applying to your major, not just shuffling around your timeslots for an ideal schedule.

Im unsure if this was much more of an issue at UW specifically (also this was also over a decade ago), but UW accepted maybe ~30% of the applicants to a given major (in STEM). They dont tell you this as a freshman when you declare your intended course of study, but you're competing with your classmates to actually be able to study what you want to major in. This leads to critical classes filling up within seconds, massive waitlists, and delays of semesters possible if you miss courses you need.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP wanted this scrutiny and is using it to advertise himself to employers. Any analysis, criticism, or doubt is what he asked for. He should "show receipts" (emails at least) if he wants people to take his word for it.

While I agree that by going public on LinkedIn and HN scrutiny is fair game, he might still not want the scrutiny and/or be surprised by it.

I guess we could chalk up any naive misconception of what would/could happen on his part to his inexperience and youth - but not his father, a founder with a long career, who just "stoked the flames".

At this point - especially considering the overwhelming and almost consensus opinion in this thread yesterday - if they haven't shut up and talked to a lawyer yet, it MUST be a deliberate decision

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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The following has been added to the "Tampering and Abuse" section of the UW Registrar's Policies & Procedures page in the last day:

> Additionally, the creation of any service that enables any of the above behaviors is strictly forbidden and constitutes a violation of this policy.

Worth noting that the administrative code is probably more important, here's some relevant sections:

WAC Aiding, assisting, and attempting: https://app.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=478-121-113

WAC Computer abuses: https://app.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=478-121-117

Registrar before: https://web.archive.org/web/20241208123609/https://registrar...

Registrar after: https://web.archive.org/web/20250109203004/https://registrar...

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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His (presumed) dad commented this on LinkedIn: > I have seen all the emails now and it's as bad as described. I thought there might be some hyperbole but the "University Registrar and Chief Officer of Enrollment Information Services" is clearly saying "work with us to build this for free or you're not graduating". They even specify that he needs to set up the meeting "well before registration opens on February 13th f…

Until they post evidence, legal counsel comments on it, or its reported by a news agency its a bit moot. I personally would have gone full nuclear and posted all evidence to put pressure on the school already by now. If I'm already defacto expelled I'd have nothing to lose by putting this on blast. Its weird that he hasn't posted anything given the retaliation he is receiving, hence why its hard to take completely se…

This is an internet discussion forum; everything is moot.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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His (presumed) dad commented this on LinkedIn: > I have seen all the emails now and it's as bad as described. I thought there might be some hyperbole but the "University Registrar and Chief Officer of Enrollment Information Services" is clearly saying "work with us to build this for free or you're not graduating". They even specify that he needs to set up the meeting "well before registration opens on February 13th f…

It's worth noting that the dad also gave his son a job at his company while the kid was still in high school. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it does show that the father is heavily invested in this kid and willing to act affirmatively to give him a leg up, which means I personally would not count this as additional testimony backing up the story. The dad's testimony doesn't make it less likely to be…

You’re being downvoted for poor critical thinking in this case, which led you to write a comment that doesn’t add to the conversation.

Of course the father is “heavily invested” in his son. That comes from decades of raising him, diapers, dinners, driving and him around, and probably also sharing 50% of his genes.

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