Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

Post by geye1234 » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 5:54 PM UTC

strambino242 wrote: post #190

My inside sources at salesforce say that this is just cover for them replacing existing employees with H1Bs and PERMs from Asia. That's why there are still SWE jobs on the company site even though he says they aren't hiring He's lying. They are hiring. They just refuse to hire you if you were born in America The "AI" craze is cover. It doesn't do jack shit. He knows too

Post by Kurtcheng » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 6:38 PM UTC

JohnMakin wrote: post #147

bb611 wrote: post #33

Current SFDC software engineer - this is just cover for a widespread engineering hiring freeze since the layoffs in January 2023. There's a ton of pressure to control costs after the near shareholder revolt that caused the layoffs. The public nature of the announcement is certainly marketing for our AI offerings as well, but at this point I think most engineers are just worried there will be additional layoffs, in th…

I really don't care generally if a business feels the need to hype things like this - but these kinds of announcements have downstream effects on salaries and job availability far outside a company like this. Other management/C-suites are gonna hear "we replaced all our engineers with AI!" and similarly slow down hiring/etc. This is already being seen throughout the industry, I am aware, but such a visible player mak…

Post by insane_dreamer » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 7:02 PM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #283

sharkweek wrote: post #132

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Thanks for sharing some inside baseball. This definitely reads more like a “everything is going AWESOME ignore anything else you hear about us” PR-ese. I read this as messaging to shareholders more than anyone else (and sure some word-spreading about the product).

Yeah, it's just an ad for Agentforce. They have been aggressively advertising on TV lately. One ad shows a restaurant seating customers in the rain because they aren't using AI. The other ad shows someone buying clothes that don't match because AI wasn't suggesting them. (They also serve the customer shrimp, which he doesn't like.) Looking at weather forecasts and rescheduling reservations has nothing to do with AI,…

Post by sleight42 » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 7:35 PM UTC

qwertycrackers wrote: post #380

epolanski wrote: post #97

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Big orgs have plenty of people that need to justify their salaries, I mean it, I'm 100% convinced you could fire half the staff of a big organization, going heavy with the management roles and lighter on operational ones and the company would become more productive and efficient. And the higher the people in the pyramid are the better they are at selling their ideas in their neverending quest for recognition, fat bon…

The problem is that there's no outside way to tell which 50% is the useless half. It's just like marketing budget.

Post by sleight42 » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 7:40 PM UTC

griomnib wrote: post #302

somanyphotons wrote: post #115

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Twitter as an example, showed us that the staff really do matter

Shows that having H1Bs you can hold hostage lets you get away with anything. If it weren’t for their captive workforce they would have had far bigger problems than an unreliable service, rapidly declining user base, and imploding revenue.