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Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by elif »

Sharlin wrote: post #36
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am from EU and we have been getting a lot of things much later and having to use VPNs to get past this. Sometimes even a VPN is not enough since we need US phone number etc. Couldn't get access to Claude and OpenAI advanced voice mode for a long time. It feels very frustrating since others can already start building with cutting edge things, giving them a huge advantage.

Yes, unfortunately in this world not being "ethically constrained" can give you a big advantage. Still doesn't mean one should not strive to do the right thing.

If your ethics is innately tied to the nuance of fringe intellectual property law in a brand new domain, it may be time to relax some things

That is to say, a lax perspective of intellectual property law can be less or more ethical than one which supports the undeterred corporate collation of powers behind those laws.

Those in control do not have a monopoly on ethical goodness.

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Keyframe wrote: post #47
brookst wrote: post #45

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Nothing, in the same way that TSMC could cut Nvidia and OpenAI out. Vertical integration is incredibly powerful, but it requires mastery of the whole stack. Does Nvidia understand AI consumers the way OpenAI / Anthropocene does? Do they have the distribution channels? Can they operate services at that scale? If they can truly do it all and the middlemen don’t add any unique value, Nvidia (or TSMC) can and should make…

> Nothing, in the same way that TSMC could cut Nvidia and OpenAI out. one thing is not like the other.

They’re exactly alike. The question is “why doesn’t an upstream supplier just use its own products and cut their customers out?”

If you prefer, we can ask why TSMC doesn’t cut Nvidia out and just design AI chips. It gets to the same place: expertise as a supplier in one stage of a value chain is not fungible to all stages.

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by Topfi »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #31
esperent wrote: post #16

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People keep saying this, but I've yet to see a company follow through.

I am from EU and we have been getting a lot of things much later and having to use VPNs to get past this. Sometimes even a VPN is not enough since we need US phone number etc. Couldn't get access to Claude and OpenAI advanced voice mode for a long time. It feels very frustrating since others can already start building with cutting edge things, giving them a huge advantage.

Have yet to see a case where they didn’t also include the UK and other decidedly none EU states, which makes me think this has little to do with regulation and more trying to manage load during the initial release. Regulation is of course an amazing scape goat, especially if one intended to convince people against any legislation not written by and for the current front runners of the industry.

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by jsheard »

brookst wrote: post #48
redeux wrote: post #22

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I'm not sure how a few multinational mega corporations "competing" with each other is an impressive example of capitalist market efficiency. After all, this is isn't GPTx vs Gemini vs Llama vs Claude - it's Microsoft vs Google vs Meta vs Amazon. None of which are fair actors in the global marketplace.

Wait, which megacorp is Claude?

Amazon by proxy, like how GPT is Microsoft by proxy:

https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/amazon-invests-addition...

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by thih9 »

pbronez wrote: post #32
esperent wrote: post #16

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People keep saying this, but I've yet to see a company follow through.

Meta and Apple both declined to release AI tools in the EU due to regulations: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/meta-follows...

“Delayed” seems more accurate. At least Apple already released some AI features and plans to release more later this year.

> Mac users in the EU can access Apple Intelligence in U.S. English with macOS Sequoia 15.1. This April, Apple Intelligence features will start to roll out to iPhone and iPad users in the EU.

https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2024/10/apple-intelligence...

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by segmondy »

actionfromafar wrote: post #3

What stops Nvidia from cutting out the middlemen? They have the chips.

They lose their customers. TSMC succeeded because they didn't compete with their customers. When they started, they focused on making chips for others. Any other company that that had a Fab could offer the same service at the same quality back then. Yet folks choose TSMC because there was no conflict of interest. If Nvidia starts competing with their customers, that conflict of interest will force some of those customers to look else where. I suspect Nvidia is releasing these things to add value to using their GPUs, kinda like offering free tools for your OS, notepad, calculator, browser, etc

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by actionfromafar »

brookst wrote: post #52
Keyframe wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nothing, in the same way that TSMC could cut Nvidia and OpenAI out. one thing is not like the other.

They’re exactly alike. The question is “why doesn’t an upstream supplier just use its own products and cut their customers out?” If you prefer, we can ask why TSMC doesn’t cut Nvidia out and just design AI chips. It gets to the same place: expertise as a supplier in one stage of a value chain is not fungible to all stages.

But it's entirely possible to me that TSMC lacks some of the hardware knowledge that Nvidia has. A fab has a lot more than just TSMC equipment in, hasn't it?

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by crubier »

esperent wrote: post #16
prosunpraiser wrote: post #14

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Unfortunately the solution is quite simple - don’t release in EU.

People keep saying this, but I've yet to see a company follow through.

I live in the EU and pretty much every major AI tool gets either delayed or not released here, it is terrible.

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by thih9 »

crubier wrote: post #58
esperent wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People keep saying this, but I've yet to see a company follow through.

I live in the EU and pretty much every major AI tool gets either delayed or not released here, it is terrible.

Another anecdote, I don’t mind. I’m happy to let the rest of the world beta test AI, I’ll wait and enjoy more transparency (and perhaps a more polished experience).

Then again I’m not a pro AI user and I was never in a situation when I wanted to use an AI product and it wasn’t available.

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