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Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

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Post by gregw2 »

chasd00 wrote: post #220
gregw2 wrote: post #150

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I've only been involved with such Salesforce integrations at one company, but based on that, I can give you my take. I'd be interested to hear others'. One, the salesforce data changes all occur through APIs (ok) which various enterprise integration tools (Informatica, Mulesoft, etc) support (ok), but those tools typically dont support easy options for retrying a change to a specific row that causes an error. If you…

The regular REST api has request scoped transactions. Only the bulk api has the issues you describe. The bulk api is kind of a special thing annyway and has its quirks. The regular REST api works more like what you’d expect.

Great point. That said, the remaining problem is that regular API calls dont scale/perform well for integrations between systems involving lots of data syncing. A few records? Fine. Many? Not so much.

I would love to be wrong on this.

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Post by icedchai »

somanyphotons wrote: post #115
epolanski wrote: post #97

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Big orgs have plenty of people that need to justify their salaries, I mean it, I'm 100% convinced you could fire half the staff of a big organization, going heavy with the management roles and lighter on operational ones and the company would become more productive and efficient. And the higher the people in the pyramid are the better they are at selling their ideas in their neverending quest for recognition, fat bon…

Twitter as an example, showed us that the staff really do matter

The opposite, I think. It showed us how bloated the average tech corp actual is. Musk may have went too far with his cuts, but directionally I believe he’s right.

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Post by angoragoats »

strambino242 wrote: post #199
angoragoats wrote: post #148

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They are hiring today. Complete BS from the CEO. https://careers.salesforce.com/en/jobs/?page=1&team=Software...

These are jobs sponsoring for PERM greencards. They are using AI as an excuse to replace US citizens with foreigners

Not sure where you’re getting that from. Most of them look like regular job listings to me.

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Post by piva00 »

namaria wrote: post #335
6510 wrote: post #324

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I never dare say that part out loud but isn't that all we do? Move things into db tables and back. Like packing mules to go to market.

Dressed up dbs. That's what 90% of the saas economy is. I feel like I'm going mad. How can such a gigantic part of the software economy be just dressing up dbs and making them hard to interoperate? I can't make sense of it. Any business can run using email and vanilla spreadsheets. Everything else just feels like a surreal dance while I can't hear the music.

Ergonomics have value in itself, dressing up DBs in good ergonomics around some applied use-cases has quite some value for companies to not have to deal with edge cases that email + spreadsheets will suffer from at scale, that's also why I do not understand Salesforce.

The products are clunky, difficult to integrate/use/deploy, a lot of times they simply don't work or require an immense amount of effort to be barely workable. It's really hard to understand the value proposition, I guess they might have very good salespeople reaching out to the right clueless people to pitch.

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Post by davidashe »

bdangubic wrote: post #156
paxys wrote: post #152

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And 80% of its value. Musk bought it at $44B. Fidelity recently used an internal valuation of $9.4B for their own shares in the company.

he bought presidency with it so it is not that bad of an investment. it is short-sighted to look at “twitter” value since he bought it, one should look his net worth since he bought it. even if closes it down tomorrow it will be money well spent

Next-level elon defense here.

“Elon made an obvious mistake? Oh no, newb. Look on this other indicator that reinforces my bias.”

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Post by [deleted] »

javawizard wrote: post #229
timcobb wrote: post #219

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So, uh, do you think they've driven productivity up 30%? ;) ;) ;)

I'll say as an ex-FAANG that recently released a similar stat that it was absolutely real, but only because doing anything required an atrocious amount of boilerplate that AI was really good at figuring out. Compared to how productive I am at my current startup? Not a chance.

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Post by bdangubic »

davidashe wrote: post #355
bdangubic wrote: post #156

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he bought presidency with it so it is not that bad of an investment. it is short-sighted to look at “twitter” value since he bought it, one should look his net worth since he bought it. even if closes it down tomorrow it will be money well spent

Next-level elon defense here. “Elon made an obvious mistake? Oh no, newb. Look on this other indicator that reinforces my bias.”

not bias but facts :) he took over twitter, made it into right-wing propaganda machine, changed algorithm during the election campaign ... it is short-sighted to not take into account that he basically bought dissemination of public information and single-handedly swayed the election. if you think he bought twitter to make money off it I have some crypto to sell to you :)

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Post by chasd00 »

gregw2 wrote: post #351
chasd00 wrote: post #220

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The regular REST api has request scoped transactions. Only the bulk api has the issues you describe. The bulk api is kind of a special thing annyway and has its quirks. The regular REST api works more like what you’d expect.

Great point. That said, the remaining problem is that regular API calls dont scale/perform well for integrations between systems involving lots of data syncing. A few records? Fine. Many? Not so much. I would love to be wrong on this.

Yeah pushing or pulling large, according to salesforce, numbers of records is definitely harder than it should be. On the “push” side you have row lock errors and no way to disable APEX based triggers unless you’ve designed that into the code itself. On the pull side, if you’re trying to extract a large number of records and your soql query times out you’re out of luck. SF is good about creating custom indexes for you through a support case but it takes time. Even then, on the order of millions of records it’s still difficult.

My day job is implementing large SF projects. Multi-million record data migrations arent unusual. Even if the data is clean and mapped the migrations take weeks of planning. We go over every inch of the setup to make sure we have the best chance of getting a clean load on try #1. However, we schedule for 3 trial loads and verification before a “go live load” into actual production. Even after all that it’s still an all nighter with contingency plans and c-suite cell numbers on deck.

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Post by flashgordon »

i_love_retros wrote: post #260
flashgordon wrote: post #232

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I seriously wonder why this is not happening more given all the copilots available. I guess the h1bs don't have the time/appetite to do this. Wouldn't locals have enough of a vendetta to do this?

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This is a fair point. After 5 failed startups (you'd think id learn and give up) building products and velocity had never been an issue. "Selling" is the one absolute North Star. Even if you built a feature-to-feature clone - as another commenter above pointed out - sales (or lack of it) has been the biggest differentiator.

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Post by duxup »

pkkkzip wrote: post #240
duxup wrote: post #235

I get the costs of engineering, but there's these sort semi antagonistic "yo we're not hiring software engineers" announcements that are weird. I don't ever see someone say "we're not hiring anymore customer support" or HR, or janitorial staff, or middle management.

I don't think a lot of HN users understand corporate speak. When they announce they aren't hiring any more software engineers they are basically telling its own engineers to leave now or face cost cutting measures. If you work at Salesforce, I would start putting out resumes now. The play seems to be to use the narrative "agents replaced our engineers, we cut %X of our team" as both a sales pitch and excuse for poor…

I don't doubt that's the intent, sometimes, but hiring freezes happen lots of places and they don't mean that thing.
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