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Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
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Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Big orgs have plenty of people that need to justify their salaries, I mean it, I'm 100% convinced you could fire half the staff of a big organization, going heavy with the management roles and lighter on operational ones and the company would become more productive and efficient. And the higher the people in the pyramid are the better they are at selling their ideas in their neverending quest for recognition, fat bon…
If you can fire half of the people at a big company, you could also erase half the small startups with no impact as well.
Those startups take care of that themselves.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point of this announcement is to boost sales, not to save costs. He's selling AI hype. The only thing that matters if customers are buying the hype, not the reality of AI's limitations which I'm sure the board is well aware of.
> He's selling AI hype AI hype is exactly what I'm talking about. I imagine if you demonstrate that you can have AI agents as viciously competitive COOs, CFOs, and CTOs, who never need time off, never sleep, it would be something that would set Wall Street on fire.
I'm surprised this has caught on yet... Well, not really I suppose -- for obvious power-tripping reasons.
However, I could see the issue of AI 'hallucinations' being a non-issue in this domain because many in C-Suite positions have been 'hallucinating' for decades.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#194How many of software devs working for Salesforce are outsourced in India or literal slaves working on H1B Visa?
According to the DOL, about 5600 are H1Bs. 1100 PERMs in the last year too. with a global workforce of 72000, these two alone (both in US) are 9.3% of their employees
13k employees in Hyderabad alone. That's 18% of their employees. So about 27%
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
From there it only follows: (camera pans to board of directors) "What would you say… ya' do here?" We can have a funding agent provision an agent-based board as well. What's the point of a board that can't react to real-time market information 24x7x365?
I guess an LLM probably can legally own things or be legally responsible for decisions. We’ll need one person at the top as a money-holder/sin-eater.
We can classify LLM's as 'people' like we do for corporations in the US. (sarcasm)
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#196I was at Salesforce for 4 years, and during those years the company made a massive deal about: 2020: the first AI craze, introducing “Einstein” as their name for their analytics platform, and officially changing the corporate vision to being the “No. 1 AI CRM company”. 2021: Now it’s all about “Customer 360”, i.e. account-based marketing, i.e. what basically everyone else does without such a memeable name. You wouldn…
Let's not forget pre-2020 when the company released "Salesforce Blockchain", "NFT Cloud" and "Salesforce Web3 Platform". This is how they operate. Just one marketing hype moment after another. The actual product doesn't really matter (and in a lot of cases doesn't even launch). They just need to keep making pretty slide decks filled with meaningless buzzwords so their customers get distracted from the fact that they…
Don’t forget IOT Cloud back when IOT was a thing. I think I was one of the first 10 people holding that certification. I really liked the architecture but the product sort of went nowhere. After learning about data cloud I feel like a lot of that architecture (iirc it was called Thunder) wound up in data cloud.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really don't care generally if a business feels the need to hype things like this - but these kinds of announcements have downstream effects on salaries and job availability far outside a company like this. Other management/C-suites are gonna hear "we replaced all our engineers with AI!" and similarly slow down hiring/etc. This is already being seen throughout the industry, I am aware, but such a visible player mak…
If a company exec is stupid enough to not hire when there has been no demonstrated replacement for the engineers, they are likely going to drive the company into the ground in short order. I don’t believe that companies would be stupid enough to kneecap their own growth because a SaaS company that has stopped innovating 5 years ago decided they are happy with their current headcount and used AI as an excuse.
> If a company exec is stupid enough to not hire when there has been no demonstrated replacement for the engineers, they are likely going to drive the company into the ground in short order.
Who cares when they'll just float away on a golden parachute to the next company that will overpay them to make terrible decisions. Executives will happily jump at any excuse to lower wages, cut jobs, and pocket the money they saved while raising their prices. Making it harder for people to find work because of layoffs and hiring freezes just means that if AI under-delivers (and it always does), they can just hire on a bunch of new people later at lower wages thanks to the larger pool of people looking for work.
Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#198> Hire No More Software Engineers in 2025 https://careers.salesforce.com/en/jobs/?page=1&team=Software... It seems they are still "hiring" If you're seeing software engineering job results in Salesforce, then we can only assume the software engineering jobs listed there are either: 1. Posted last year by Salesforce (can go at any time) 2. Fake Ghost Jobs (more likely) If you work as an engineer at Salesforce, start t…
These are jobs required to sponsor a PERM greencard. In order to qualify, an American cannot be able to do the job, which clearly they are (SF let go thousands in the last few years alone), so they "ghost" any US applicant and claim they didn't receive the application
AFAIK, each job is only posted for 2 days to meet the minimum legal requirement for the PERM
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#199Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
Big orgs have plenty of people that need to justify their salaries, I mean it, I'm 100% convinced you could fire half the staff of a big organization, going heavy with the management roles and lighter on operational ones and the company would become more productive and efficient. And the higher the people in the pyramid are the better they are at selling their ideas in their neverending quest for recognition, fat bon…
If you can fire half of the people at a big company, you could also erase half the small startups with no impact as well.
I would think most people would take that for granted. Small startups are often "pre-impact" (or "pre-failure", situation depending..)